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[Orodruin]

Wordle 1 358 3/6

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,358 3/6

 

[jack action]

Wordle 1,358 5/6

[ARISE] 31 left
[GLINT] filter - 3 left: LADEN NAVEL PENAL
[PENAL] big mistake - 1 left
[LADEN] stupid mistake - 1 left
[NAVEL]

The worst part is that I wanted to use the final answer as my third guess (the most-probable method), but I was too tired and thought my choice was better for filtering the outcome. Then, based on my wrongful assumption for filtering, I thought the only possible answer was my fourth guess, so I didn't even bother to check it with the program.

Mistakes cannot get bigger or stupider. This is how space shuttles explode in mid-air.

 

[dwarde]

Wordle 1,358 4/6

 

[Orodruin]

Wordle 1 359 3/6

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,359 3/6

 

[jack action]

Wordle 1,359 3/6

[ARISE] 11 left: CREED CREEK CREEP CRUEL ERECT FREED FREER GREED PREEN TRUER WRECK
[EDUCT] filter - 2 left: FREED GREED
[GREED] most probable

most-probable method count update (Success/Fail): 64/35 - 64.6%/35.4%

 

[dwarde]

Wordle 1,359 5/6

 

[Orodruin]

Wordle 1,359 5/6

A win is a win.

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,358 5/6

[ARISE] 31 left
[GLINT] filter - 3 left: LADEN NAVEL PENAL
...

Was the inclusion of the 'I' in the second guess on purpose, or a brain-fart like my game 1,357?
Given that 'A' and 'E' still needed locating, GLENT struck me as more logical filter.

 

[jack action]

Was the inclusion of the 'I' in the second guess on purpose, or a brain-fart like my game 1,357?
Given that 'A' and 'E' still needed locating, GLENT struck me as more logical filter.

My imperfect program suggested it. It was most likely looking for a word with G, L, N, and T and first looked in the possible answers, then - if not found - in the full answer list, and then - if still not found - in the possible guess list. GLENT is in the latter, and GLINT is one of the possible answers for any puzzle, so it was found first.

 

[Orodruin]

Wordle 1 360 3/6

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,360 3/6

 

[jack action]

Wordle 1,360 2/6

[ARISE] 7 left: SEIZE SLIDE SLIME SNIDE SNIPE SPITE SUITE
[SPITE]

I could technically owe this one to the most-probable method. There were no good filters. (PLANT was proposed by my program.) I had to choose one amongst the words I like most as an answer, in order of preference:

SUITE (been waiting for a long time for this one);
SEIZE (because of the Z);
SNIPE, SPITE (because of the P);
SLIME (because of the M);
SNIDE, SLIDE (not challenging enough).

So my choices could possibly filter:

SPITE -> SUITE or SNIPE on the next guess;
SNIPE -> SPITE or SNIDE on the next guess;
SNIDE -> SNIPE or SLIDE on the next guess;
SLIDE -> SLIME or SNIDE on the next guess;
SLIME -> SLIDE on the next guess;
SUITE -> SPITE on the next guess;
SEIZE would have been useless as a filter.

 

[OmCheeto]

... There were no good filters ...

Whilst playing with @Orodruin 's spreadsheet, I discovered that NEMPT was a perfect second guess filter in this case. I'm guessing it took me at least an hour to find it.

... [SPOILER ALERT] was proposed by my program ...

So did mine! But as I impled above, other words were also mentioned:
DEMPT, MILTZ, NEMPT, PLANT, PLOTZ

ps. While I previously stated that it would take me a month to figure out all of the bells and whistles of Orodruin's spreadsheet, I've decided that I will probably die of old age before that happens.

 

[Orodruin]

While I previously stated that it would take me a month to figure out all of the bells and whistles of Orodruin's spreadsheet, I've decided that I will probably die of old age before that happens.

I hope you have more than a month left!!

 

[dwarde]

Wordle 1,360 3/6

 

[Orodruin]

Wordle 1 361 4/6






Off day …

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,361 3/6

 

[jack action]

Wordle 1,361 3/6

[ARISE] 15 left
[DRANK] filter + possible answer - 3 left: CRACK TRACK WRACK
[TRACK] most probable

most-probable method count update (Success/Fail): 65/35 - 65.0%/35.0%

 

[dwarde]

Wordle 1,361 4/6

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,362 4/6

 

[Orodruin]

Wordle 1 362 4/6






Bad luck on this one. Third guess was between what I used and the solution. Both perfect filters among 5 words along with MANGY.

 

[jack action]

Wordle 1,362 3/6

[ARISE] 63 left
[CLINT] filter - 6 left: BANJO GONAD MANGO MANGY NOMAD PAGAN
[MANGO] filter - As opposed to @Orodruin , I was lucky!

 

[Orodruin]

Wordle 1,362 3/6

[ARISE] 63 left
[CLINT] filter - 6 left: BANJO GONAD MANGO MANGY NOMAD PAGAN
[MANGO] filter - As opposed to @Orodruin , I was lucky!

Well ... you managed to eliminate my third guess (TANGO) with your second guess ...

 

[OmCheeto]

DRATS! Had I waited for @Orodruin 's spreadsheet to finish its work, its choice for my second word would have left only the solution, and hence, the game in 3. Though I'm not sure if that's just a fluke/feature of the spreadsheet whereby it limits the number of words analyzed to 103, and my choice, SOUTH, was eliminated.

OmCheeto method
FILER 145 left
SOUTH 5 left: BANJO, ANNOY, KNOWN,
AMONG 1 left
MANGO

Orodruin method, with word limit feature
FILER 145 left
MOUTH 1 left
MANGO

So it would have just been dumb luck to get it in 3, as I believe SOUTH was statistically the better choice.

ps. My current set of 26 seed words are all anagrams from my top 100 ranked seed words.

 

[dwarde]

Whew.

Wordle 1,362 3/6

 

[jack action]

DRATS! Had I waited for @Orodruin 's spreadsheet to finish its work, its choice for my second word would have left only the solution, and hence, the game in 3. Though I'm not sure if that's just a fluke/feature of the spreadsheet whereby it limits the number of words analyzed to 103, and my choice, SOUTH, was eliminated.

OmCheeto method
FILER 145 left
SOUTH 5 left: BANJO, ANNOY, KNOWN,
AMONG 1 left
MANGO

Orodruin method, with word limit feature
FILER 145 left
MOUTH 1 left
MANGO

So it would have just been dumb luck to get it in 3, as I believe SOUTH was statistically the better choice.

ps. My current set of 26 seed words are all anagrams from my top 100 ranked seed words.

Why use a seed word including F, such a rare occurring letter?

Keeping all other letters - among the possible answers - PLIER, PERIL, IDLER would give better results. Even RIFLE would have been slightly better than FILER!

Getting out of the possible answers and just changing the first letter, OILER, TILER, SILER, PILER, MILER should have given better results.(not tested though)

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,363 2/6




All luck. Only two choices after the seed.

 

[Orodruin]

Wordle 1 363 3/6

Wordle 1,363 2/6




All luck. Only two choices after the seed.

Three here. Was between my second guess and the solution … again …

 

[jack action]

Wordle 1,363 2/6

[ARISE] 3 left: CEASE CHASE LEASE
[CHASE] most probable

There are 3 equally valid filters remaining. It's an ideal game to test the most-probable method. The presence of the H did it for me.

most-probable method count update (Success/Fail): 66/35 - 65.3%/34.7%

 

[dwarde]

Wordle 1,363 3/6

 

[Orodruin]

Wordle 1 364 3/6

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,364 4/6

STEAL 18 left
DECRY 3 left: BEECH,
NIECE
PIECE

 

[jack action]

Wordle 1,364 3/6

[ARISE] 9 left: BIBLE BILGE CUTIE DIODE GENIE IMBUE LIEGE NIECE PIECE
[LIEGE] filter - 2 left: NIECE PIECE
[PIECE] most probable (because of the P)

most-probable method count update (Success/Fail): 67/35 - 65.7%/34.3%

 

[dwarde]

Wordle 1,364 5/6

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,364 3/6

[ARISE] 9 left: BIBLE BILGE CUTIE DIODE GENIE IMBUE LIEGE NIECE PIECE
[LIEGE] filter - 2 left: NIECE PIECE
[PIECE] most probable (because of the P)

most-probable method count update (Success/Fail): 67/35 - 65.7%/34.3%

Well dag nabbit, had Orodruin and I realized that your most Probable method indicated that 'P' takes Precedence over other letters, we'd both have shaved a guess off our lists.

 

[jack action]

Well dag nabbit, had Orodruin and I realized that your most Probable method indicated that 'P' takes Precedence over other letters, we'd both have shaved a guess off our lists.

No, you would not have, because the N was a popular letter that would have helped you eliminate an answer. I also hesitated between your second guess and mine. But once stuck choosing between P and N only, the choice was obvious to me. P is less popular than N, so it was the "challenging" letter of the word. There seem to always be one lately.

With this method, having 67 successes out of 102 trials (and the percentage doesn't change much the further I test it), there is only about a 1 in 1003 odd that you can get at least this outcome with a perfectly random coin toss. I guess I'm doing something right.

 

[Orodruin]

Wordle 1 365 3/6

 

[Orodruin]

With this method, having 67 successes out of 102 trials (and the percentage doesn't change much the further I test it), there is only about a 1 in 1003 odd that you can get at least this outcome with a perfectly random coin toss. I guess I'm doing something right.

The issue I have is that you seem to have a lot of internal rules that differ wildly from case to case. Ranging from ”contains P” to ”is a positive sounding word” (sometimes debatably so). This makes it all seem pretty arbitrary.

What you have shown is that something you are doing is singling out correct solutions more often than not. The problem is we don’t know which part it is (or if there are several factors) until you can break the data down for different causes.

 

[jack action]

The issue I have is that you seem to have a lot of internal rules that differ wildly from case to case. Ranging from ”contains P” to ”is a positive sounding word” (sometimes debatably so). This makes it all seem pretty arbitrary.

What you have shown is that something you are doing is singling out correct solutions more often than not. The problem is we don’t know which part it is (or if there are several factors) until you can break the data down for different causes.

The key is to imagine that the word is selected by a human being. Every human has a pattern. The pattern can change, but there is still one. The pattern may change because the human was changed. It doesn't matter.

Contrary to other Wordle puzzles found on other sites, the word is obviously not chosen arbitrarily by an algorithm. That is the point I'm trying to prove.

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,365 3/6

SPARE 17 left
LANCH 1 left
LADLE

 

[jack action]

Wordle 1,365 4/6

[ARISE] 16 left
[GLINT] filter - 3 left: FABLE LADLE VALVE
[FABLE] most probable - 1 left
[LADLE]

Although LADLE has two Ls that makes it a little challenging, I went with FABLE with the rarely occurring F. Why not VALVE with its Vs? They don't like mechanical/electrical/electronic part terms, anything too technical for the average Joe. (I noticed that because those are the words that speak to me and they never get picked.)

most-probable method count update (Success/Fail): 67/36 - 65.0%/35.0%

 

[dwarde]

Lucky guess

Wordle 1,365 3/6

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,366 3/6

PARSE 7 left
CLOWN 1 left. Modified Orodruin method.
STAMP

 

[jack action]

Wordle 1,366 4/6

[ARISE] 30 left
[CLYPE] filter - 4 left: SPANK SPAWN STAMP SWAMP
[SWAMP] filter - 1 left
[STAMP]

 

[dwarde]

whew. Just throwing words at the wall.

Wordle 1,366 6/6

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,367 3/6

RINSE 22 left
PLUSH 1 left: Orodruin/jack action/OmCheeto hybrid method
LASSO

 

[Orodruin]

Wordle 1 367 3/6

 

[jack action]

Wordle 1,367 3/6

[ARISE] 13 left
[LYMPH] filter - 1 left
[LASSO]