Work done by a non-constant force

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The discussion revolves around calculating the separation distance between two protons that momentarily come to a stop after being hurled at each other with an initial kinetic energy of 0.18 MeV each. The user initially struggles with the calculations, mistakenly multiplying energy by work, leading to confusion over units. Guidance is provided on using the correct formula for electric potential energy, emphasizing the relationship between kinetic energy and potential energy. After clarifying the net kinetic energy of the system and correcting the approach, the user successfully finds the correct answer. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding energy conservation in systems involving non-constant forces.
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Homework Statement


Hey this is my first time on here and I'm kinda lost on what I am doing. Any help would be great and the question is
Two protons that are very far apart are hurled straight at each other, each with an initial kinetic energy of 0.18 MeV, where 1 mega electron volt is equal to 1*10^6 multiply (1.6*10^-19) joules. What is the separation of the protons from each other when they momentarily come to a stop?

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Dont think i can type the equation

The Attempt at a Solution



So i multiplied the initial kinetic energy by how much 1 electron vold is equal to and then multiplied it by the work

0.18 * 1*10^6 * 1.6* 10^-19
=2.88* 10^-14 J (kinetic energy of both protons)

Next i try to find the distance and this is where i have the trouble

2.88*10^-14 J = (9*10^9)(1.6*10^-19)^2/d
d= (9*10^9)(1.6*10^-19)^2 / 2.88*10^-14 J
d= 8 * 10^-15m
 
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Hi clutch12, welcome to PF.
The system consists of two protons.
Initially what is the total kinetic energy of the system and what is the net potential energy of the system? What are these energies when they are momentarily at rest?
 
oh so i now need to find the net potential energy of the system right?
 
and thanks for the welcome
 
It doesn't make sense to multiply energy by work. The answer would come out in Joules², which doesn't have any meaning for me.

You need a formula for the electric potential energy of a charge near another charge. That is the same as the work done to push one charge close to another. It is the integral of dW = F*dr = kqq/r²*dr
and the answer is kqq/r. No doubt you can look it up in your textbook.
So you have .18 MeV = kqq/r
and you just have to solve for r.
 
oh never mind you mean kq1q2/r^2 *dr
 
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Delphi51 said:
It doesn't make sense to multiply energy by work. The answer would come out in Joules², which doesn't have any meaning for me.

You need a formula for the electric potential energy of a charge near another charge. That is the same as the work done to push one charge close to another. It is the integral of dW = F*dr = kqq/r²*dr
and the answer is kqq/r. No doubt you can look it up in your textbook.
So you have .18 MeV = kqq/r
and you just have to solve for r.
Both the protons are moving with KE = 0.18 MeV each. So net KE of the system = 2*0.18 MeV.
 
so basically from what i tried earlier all i would need to do is multiply 0.18 by 2 and then multiply everything all over to get my answer?
 
and thanks you guys for your help i finally got the answer right
 
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And thanks to rl.bhat for catching the factor of 2!
 
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