Work Done By Gases - Calculating Pressure, Volume & Heat

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done by a gas in a closed container with a piston, focusing on the relationships between pressure, volume, and heat added to the system. The scenario involves an initial volume of 15, a pressure of 1.5, and an increase in volume to 40 after adding 1200 J of heat.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the formula for work done by the gas, questioning whether to use the change in volume as ΔV=40-15 or ΔV=15-40. There is also discussion on whether to incorporate the heat added into the work calculation and the implications of the isobaric condition on the work done.

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Participants are actively questioning the appropriate formula to use for calculating work in this context, with some suggesting that the energy added may represent the work done, while others reference traditional equations like W=PV. There is no clear consensus, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

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Some participants note the importance of the exact wording of the original question and the need for further research into thermodynamics principles, indicating potential gaps in understanding the concepts involved.

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Consider a gas in a closed container with a piston allowed to move. Let's start with a volume of 15 and pressure of 1.5. We add heat to the system, let's say 1200 J. This forces the piston to move increasing the volume to 40. The pressure remains the same, 1.5. When calculating the work done by the gas, how do we go about it?

W = P * change in Volume.

So, since the pressure remains constant, do we just take change in volume, 15 - 40 = -25?
Or 1.5(15-40)?
Or add in the heat to the system? (15-40) + 1200?
 
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Timothy Schablin said:
do we just take change in volume, 15 - 40 = -25?
Volume increases. Change of volume is ΔV=40-15 (you did not say the unit).

Timothy Schablin said:
W = P * change in Volume.

So, since the pressure remains constant, do we just take change in volume, 15 - 40 = -25?
Or 1.5(15-40)?
W=p*ΔV not W=Δp*ΔV
 
apparently, the correct answer is the amount of energy added, or 1200J. This is an isobaric situation so I guess W=PV doesn't work?

All my research on the 'net points to W=PV though...
 
Timothy Schablin said:
apparently, the correct answer is the amount of energy added, or 1200J. This is an isobaric situation so I guess W=PV doesn't work?
What is the exact wording of the question and the analysis that led to this result?
All my research on the 'net points to W=PV though...
Then I guess you have more research to do. Do you have an actual thermodynamics book?
 
Timothy Schablin said:
apparently, the correct answer is the amount of energy added, or 1200J. This is an isobaric situation so I guess W=PV doesn't work?

All my research on the 'net points to W=PV though...
correct is ##W=p \cdot _\Delta V##
 

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