Work with Friction: Calculating Force & Angle

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The discussion revolves around calculating the force and angle required for an adult to pull a wagon with a combined mass of 50 kg while doing 2.2x10^3 J of work over 60 m at a constant speed. Key equations include the force of friction, normal force, and work-energy principles. The calculated force applied by the parent is approximately 632.38 N, with an angle of 87 degrees. Participants emphasize the importance of correctly accounting for forces in their free body diagram (FBD) and ensuring that opposing forces are accurately represented. The conversation highlights the need for careful step-by-step problem-solving to avoid errors in calculations.
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Homework Statement


In many neighbourhoods, you might see parents pulling youngsters in a four-wheeled wagon. The child and the wagon have a combined mass of 50kg and the adult does 2.2x10^3 J of work pulling the two 60m at a constant speed. The coefficient of friction for the surfaces in contact is 0.26.

a) Draw a FBD of the wagon
b) Determine the magnitude of the force applied by the parent.
c) Determine the angle at which the parent is applying this force.

Homework Equations


F_friction = mu*F_normal
a^2=b^2+c^2
Work=Force*(delta)d*cos(theta)

The Attempt at a Solution


Just want to make sure I did this right. And do I have to include the units when i write formulas out? (N*M) etc. It it important too or it doesn't matter? Thanks in advance!

Variables:
Work = 2.2x10^3 J
(delta)d= 60m
mu = 0.26
Force = ?
Theta =?

In Terms of y:
F_normal=-(mg+Force*sin(theta))

In Terms of x:
F_friction = mu*F_normal

Since speed is constant acceleration=0, therefore F_x+F_friction = 0 or (F_x=-F_friction)

Let:
Force*sin(theta) = F_y
Force*cos(theta) = F_x

In terms of x:

Work = Force*(delta)d*cos(theta)
Force*cos(theta) = Work/(delta)d
F_x = 2.2x10^3/60
F_x = 36.77777776

Therefore F_x+F_friction = 0

F_x+mu*F_normal = 0

Sub in numbers.

36.7+(-1)(0.26)[(50)(-9.8)+Force*sin(theta)= 0
36.7+(-0.26)[-490+Force*sin(theta)]= 0
36.7+127.4+(-0.26)(Force*sin(theta) = 0
Force*sin(theta) = -164.1/-0.26
Force*sin(theta) = 631.1538462
F_y = 631.1538462

F_y = 631.1538462
F_x = 36.7

Force = sqrt(F_y^2+F_x^2)
Force = 632.38N

tan(theta) = opp/adj
opp = F_y
adj = F_x

(theta) = tan^-1(F_y/F_x)
(theta) = 86.6
(theta) = 87

a)cant draw it here, but the F_normal has the F_y going parallel with it, and F_fr is opposing the F_x.

b) 632.38N
c)(theta) = 87
 
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Hello dator,

Welcome to Physics Forums!

dator said:

Homework Statement


In many neighbourhoods, you might see parents pulling youngsters in a four-wheeled wagon. The child and the wagon have a combined mass of 50kg and the adult does 2.2x10^3 J of work pulling the two 60m at a constant speed. The coefficient of friction for the surfaces in contact is 0.26.

a) Draw a FBD of the wagon
b) Determine the magnitude of the force applied by the parent.
c) Determine the angle at which the parent is applying this force.

Homework Equations


F_friction = mu*F_normal
a^2=b^2+c^2
Work=Force*(delta)d*cos(theta)

The Attempt at a Solution


Just want to make sure I did this right. And do I have to include the units when i write formulas out? (N*M) etc. It it important too or it doesn't matter? Thanks in advance!

Variables:
Work = 2.2x10^3 J
(delta)d= 60m
mu = 0.26
Force = ?
Theta =?

In Terms of y:
F_normal=-(mg+Force*sin(theta))

In Terms of x:
F_friction = mu*F_normal

Since speed is constant acceleration=0, therefore F_x+F_friction = 0 or (F_x=-F_friction)

Let:
Force*sin(theta) = F_y
Force*cos(theta) = F_x

In terms of x:

Work = Force*(delta)d*cos(theta)
Force*cos(theta) = Work/(delta)d
F_x = 2.2x10^3/60
F_x = 36.77777776

Therefore F_x+F_friction = 0

F_x+mu*F_normal = 0

Sub in numbers.

36.7+(-1)(0.26)[(50)(-9.8)+Force*sin(theta)= 0

According to my calculations, something is not right with the very last line above.

I think the root of the error might come from your equation:
F_normal=-(mg+Force*sin(theta))
The vectors are not adding up (or subtracting up) right. Rearrange the above equation to put all the terms on one side of the equation; then set all that to zero. Compare that to your FBD.

In the future, if might be beneficial to work the problem in smaller steps, rather than trying to combine everything into one big monster step. For example, after you calculate the force of friction (which you did early, and that's okay), calculate the normal force. That way you can check if things make sense before moving on to the next step. :wink:
 
collinsmark said:
Hello dator,

Welcome to Physics Forums!
Thank you! :)

collinsmark said:
According to my calculations, something is not right with the very last line above.

I think the root of the error might come from your equation:

The vectors are not adding up (or subtracting up) right. Rearrange the above equation to put all the terms on one side of the equation; then set all that to zero. Compare that to your FBD.

Bah, I should plugged the numbers back in and checked the statement I made, F_x+F_friction=0. The F_y I solved for does not give me a true statement.

Statements should be as follows then,
F_normal = -(m*-g+Force*sin(theta))
F_normal = (mg-Force*sin(theta))

Therefore, F_x+F_friction = 0 is:

Force*cos(theta)+(mu)(mg-Force*sin(theta)) = 0
36.7+(0.26)(490-Force*sin(theta)) = 0
36.7+127.4-(0.26)(Force*sin(theta)) = 0
Force*sin(theta) = -164.1/-0.26
Force*sin(theta) = 631.1538462

Double check...

36.7+(0.26)(490-631.1538462)=-0.0000001
So basically zero, blame it to roundoff.

Does that look good now?

Thanks, in advance!
 
dator said:
Thank you! :)
dator said:
Thank you! :)
Force*cos(theta)+(mu)(mg-Force*sin(theta)) = 0
36.7+(0.26)(490-Force*sin(theta)) = 0

No, something is still not quite right. :wink: Both the frictional force, and the horizontal pulling force are both in the same direction. They need to be in opposite directions. Try placing a negative sign in front of the 36.7.


Double check...

36.7+(0.26)(490-631.1538462)=-0.0000001
So basically zero, blame it to roundoff.

Does that look good now?

Thanks, in advance!

Your double checking should show that something is not right. The vertical pulling of the parents has a greater magnitude than the gravitational force. The parents would pulling the wagon so hard that it would accelerate up into the air! :-p
 
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