Yes, the charge should be placed 0.012 m to the right of the -q charge.

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The problem involves determining the position of a third charge +Q in relation to two other charges, +2q and -q, such that it experiences zero net force. The charges are positioned at specific locations along a line, and the discussion revolves around the mathematical relationships governing the forces acting on the third charge.

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  • Participants discuss various mathematical setups to find the position of the charge +Q, including setting forces equal and manipulating equations. Questions arise regarding the use of variables and the reasoning behind different approaches to the problem.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different mathematical interpretations and approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the vector nature of forces and the implications of charge placement, but no consensus has been reached on the correct method or solution.

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Participants express confusion over the application of variables in their calculations and question the assumptions made in their setups. The problem is framed within the constraints of a homework assignment, which may influence the approaches taken.

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A charge of +2q is placed at the origin and a second charge of –q is placed at
x = 3.0 cm. Where can a third charge +Q be placed so that it experiences a zero
force?I think I've found the solution, I just need someone to verify why the math is the way it is at the end.

1) The overall force acting on the the new charge must equal zero, therefore I set them equal to each other:

k (2q x Q)/(r^2) = k (q x Q)/(r-0.03)^2

(r - 0.03)^2 = r^2 (2q x Q)/(q x Q)

(r - 0.03)^2 = 2r^2

r - 0.03 = +/- 1.414r

-0.03 = -2.414r
r = .0124

OR

-0.03 = 0.414r
r = -.072So would this mean that the charge would be .012 metres to the right of the negative charge? (Assuming that -q is placed 3 cm to the right of +2q)
 
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Sorry, one more thing.

I'm just confused because my textbook shows you how to do a similar problem, and I don't understand why they don't use one of the variables to determine the answer.

For example:

the "r" in (r - 0.03) doesn't come into play in their answer because they just divide 1.414 by 0.03 giving a different answer than what I found. Why don't they use the "r" from (r - 0.03) like I do in my answer?
 
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Note that force (or electric field) is a vector. For two forces to cancel out, not only should they have the same magnitude but they should point in opposite directions.

So, you cannot have the point in between the two charges.

You have made an error in your second step.
[tex]\frac{2q}{{r}^{2}} = \frac{q}{(r-3)}^{2}[/tex]
[tex]2{(r-3)}^{2} = {r}^{2}[/tex]

That'll give you two values of r, of which only one can be possible.
 
Conceptually, it should make sense that the new charge should be farther from the double charge ...
but how may TIMES farther? 1.414x farther, right?
So, the distance from the far charge is 1.414 * near , but far - near = 3cm,
so : far - 1.414 * far = 0.03m = far (1 - 1.414) .

that is, they isolated all the "r" terms in a ratio on one side, with their relationship factor on the other. [and most folks would rather add than subtract : (r+3)/r = 1.414 ]
 
Hmm, I'm wondering if I went about this all wrong.

My original answer was following the steps of a similar question in my text, but I have re-thought it out and maybe I'm making it more difficult then it should be. Here's a diffeernt solution:

k (2Qq)/(r+3)^2 = k (qq)/r^2
2Qq(r^2) = qq (r+3)^2
2r^2 = r^2 + 9
r^2 = 9
r = 3

Does that make sense? So essentially, the charge would be 6 cm from +2q (3 cm to the right of the -q charge)
 

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