Estimating the maximum possible percentage error

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Hi all! I am new to the forum, came across it from googling the problem which I had and someone was having difficuilty with a question like this on here! Here's the question I have...

The coefficient of rigidity, n, of a wire of length L and uniform diameter d is given by

n=AL/d^4

If A is a constant and the parameters L and d are known to within ± 2% of their correct values, estimate the maximum possible percentage error in the calculated value of n.

Homework Equations



n=AL/d^4

The Attempt at a Solution



dn = dn/dL x dL + dn/dA x dA

dn = A/d^4 dL + L/d^4 dA

n = A/d^4 x ΔL + L/d^4 x ΔA

n = ΔL/L + ΔA/A

Where do I go from here? Any help will be greatly appreciated :)
 
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benji123 said:

Homework Statement


Hi all! I am new to the forum, came across it from googling the problem which I had and someone was having difficuilty with a question like this on here! Here's the question I have...
Welcome, benji. You have come to a good place for help.
benji123 said:
The coefficient of rigidity, n, of a wire of length L and uniform diameter d is given by

n=AL/d^4

If A is a constant and the parameters L and d are known to within ± 2% of their correct values, estimate the maximum possible percentage error in the calculated value of n.

Homework Equations



n=AL/d^4

The Attempt at a Solution



dn = dn/dL x dL + dn/dA x dA
A is a constant, so dn/dA doesn't make any sense. Instead, you want dn/dd. For the record, dn/dL and dn/dd are really the partial derivatives of n. I.e.,
\frac{\partial n}{\partial L} \text{and} \frac{\partial n}{\partial d}
benji123 said:
dn = A/d^4 dL + L/d^4 dA

n = A/d^4 x ΔL + L/d^4 x ΔA

n = ΔL/L + ΔA/A

Where do I go from here? Any help will be greatly appreciated :)
For the percent change in n, you want dn/n.
 
Mark44 said:
For the percent change in n, you want dn/n.

Thanks for the reply Mark :) and correcting me with the dn/dA and dn/dd situation!

I was wondering, how do I get the estimation when I have no values to work from for L and d?
 
You don't have L and d, but you have their relative errors: ΔL/L and Δd/d.
 
Mark44 said:
You don't have L and d, but you have their relative errors: ΔL/L and Δd/d.

What do I do with the relative error? As "Δd" will be 2% what will I use for "d" ?
 
No, Δd is not a percent value; it is the error in determining d. The relative error, which is what you are given, is Δd/d, and that is .02. Actually, what is given is that |Δd|/d <= .02. Same with L and ΔL.
 
So would it be...

% change in n = % change in L - (4 times % change in d)
% change in n = -2 - (4 times -2)
% change in n = -2 +8
% change in n = + 6%

Therefore, ±2% change in L and d = ±6% change in n?
 
benji123 said:
So would it be...

% change in n = % change in L - (4 times % change in d)
% change in n = -2 - (4 times -2)
% change in n = -2 +8
% change in n = + 6%

Therefore, ±2% change in L and d = ±6% change in n?
No. Where are you getting the -2 numbers?

You started off in the right direction, but didn't fix the errors I pointed out earlier, so let's start from the beginning.

n = AL/d4
dn = A(\frac{\partial n}{\partial L}~dL + \frac{\partial n}{\partial d}~dd)

The percent change in n is Δn/n. Fill in the partial derivatives in the equation above and divide both sides by n.
 
There is a more elementary way.

<br /> n \propto L<br />

means that n increases with increasing L, while

<br /> n \propto d^{-4}<br />

means that n decreases with increasing d.

Therefore, the smallest value for n is obtained by taking the smallest value for L and the largest value for d:

<br /> n_{\mathrm{min}} = A \, \frac{L_{\mathrm{min}}}{d^{4}_{\mathrm{max}}}<br />

The largest value for n, on the other hand, is obtained by taking the largest value for L and the smallest value for d:

<br /> n_{\mathrm{max}} = A \, \frac{L_{\mathrm{max}}}{d^{4}_{\mathrm{min}}}<br />

In this way, you obtain an interval for the possible values of n:

<br /> n \in [n_{\mathrm{min}}, n_{\mathrm{max}}]<br />

Instead of the interval notation, one usually uses the "techincal notation":

<br /> n = \bar{n} \pm \Delta n<br />

which actually means:

<br /> \left\{\begin{array}{l}<br /> n_{\mathrm{min}} = \bar{n} - \Delta n \\<br /> <br /> n_{\mathrm{max}} = \bar{n} + \Delta n<br /> \end{array}\right. \Leftrightarrow \left\{\begin{array}{l}<br /> \bar{n} = \frac{1}{2} \, (n_{\mathrm{min}} + n_{\mathrm{max}}) \\<br /> <br /> \bar{n} = \frac{1}{2} \, (n_{\mathrm{max}} - n_{\mathrm{min}}) \\<br /> \end{array}\right.<br />

Then, of course, the relative uncertainty, expressed in percent, is defined as:

<br /> \delta_{n} \equiv \frac{\Delta n}{\bar{n}} \cdot 100\%<br />

It is up to you to:
1. Find Lmin and Lmax by knowing \bar{L} (the nominal value) and \Delta L = \delta_{L}/{100 \%} \, \bar{L} (the absolute uncertainty);

2. Do the same for dmin and dmax;

3. Find nmin and nmax according to the above formulas;

4. Find \bar{n} (nominal value) and \Delta n (absolute uncertainty) according to the above formulas;

5. Find the relative uncertainty \delta_{n}.
 
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