What Happens to Water Molecules When They Can't Expand?

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The discussion explores the molecular behavior of water under extreme conditions where it cannot expand. When water freezes without the ability to expand, it can form high-pressure ice structures, such as Ice VI, at approximately 600 MPa. This indicates that water can still freeze under these conditions, but its molecular arrangement differs from standard ice. Conversely, when water is heated in a sealed container without expansion, it continues to increase in temperature and pressure, potentially leading to reactive behavior. The conversation also touches on the concept of supercritical water, which represents a state where water exhibits properties of both liquid and gas under high temperature and pressure, although this aspect is noted as somewhat tangential to the main topic. Overall, the discussion emphasizes the unique molecular transformations of water under constrained physical conditions.
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I've always been curious about the following:

What would happen to water on a molecular level if water were frozen but was unable to expand? Would it just not freeze? Or would the molecules lose their physical properties, particularly in relation to one another?

And what would happen to water on a molecular level if water were boiled but was unable to expand? Would it just not turn into a gas? What if you heated it to almost the melting point of its steel container? And again, how would this effect its molecular structure?

I'm thinking if you had a gallon of water in the middle of a steel or lead block the size of a city block (preventing the water from cracking or bursting its container, and then cooled or heated it accordingly. There would be no place for the water to expand. Thanks!

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There are several high pressure ice forms. The crystal structures are somewhat different than the normal diamond like ice. Some of the high pressure ice forms are expected to exist in e.g. the icy moons of jupiter.
If you heat water in a sealed container it just gets hotter (and very reactive). It takes quite some pressure to keep it from expanding. More interesting is supercritical water but that takes us off track...
 
http://www.btinternet.com/~martin.chaplin/phase.html

It will froze as Ice VI at about 600 MPa (6000 atm).
 
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