Relation between gibbs free energy and equilibrium constant

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The discussion centers on deriving the equation ΔG = ΔG° + RT ln(Q) and its application to the Nernst equation. Participants note that while the derivation may not be straightforward for advanced classes, a basic approach involves substituting ΔG = -nFE and ΔG° = -nFE° into the original equation and performing algebraic rearrangements. There is a mention of confusion regarding the variable Q, with some participants suggesting it can be equated to Keq, while others express uncertainty about its definition. The conversation also touches on the relationship between ΔG, ΔH, and ΔS, demonstrating this with a specific reaction involving nitrogen and hydrogen, where calculated values align with theoretical expectations. Overall, the thread highlights the importance of understanding thermodynamic principles and their interconnections in chemical reactions.
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I am familiar with the equation ΔG=ΔG°+RT ln(Q).But I can't derive it.We have to use the equation to derive nernst equation. So please help.
 
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I don't remember the derivation of the above equation off the top of my head, but I'm sure you can google it or look in any intro to the Thermodynamics or Physical Chemistry text.

As far as deriving the Nernst equation from what you have:

ΔG = -nFE and ΔG° = -nFE°

plug those two into ΔG = ΔG° + RTlnQ and do some simple algebraic rearranging.

This may not be useful to you if you are in an advanced class which requires derivations of the equations that I have taken for granted. In other words this is a pseudo-derivation applicable to a freshman level Gen. Chem. course.
 
In this reference , post #2 PhaseShifter states: q = Keq
Can someone show how this is ?
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=332342
Also how does R the gas constant , Avogadro's number x Boltzamann's constant,
apply to ΔG for solutions ?
 
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morrobay said:
In this reference , post #2 PhaseShifter states: q = Keq
Can someone show how this is ?

Do you know what Q is? (To be honest using q is IMHO confusing).
 
Borek said:
Do you know what Q is? (To be honest using q is IMHO confusing).

Thanks, was looking at q as in heat. There is not a question on the equivalence of ΔG for
ΔG = -RTlnKeq and ΔG = ΔH - TΔS as Ill show for anyone who wants to see it
N2 + 3H2 --> 2NH3
Keq = (NH3)2/(N2)(H2)3 = 6.73 * 105 , lnK=13.4 , RT= 2.473 kJ/m So ΔG = -RTlnK = -33kJ/m
In agreement with ΔG = ΔH - TΔS
ΔH = -92kJ/m, T = 298K , ΔS = -198J/m
-33kJ/m = -92kJ/m + 59kJ/m
 
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