Designing a three phase permenent magnet generator

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the design and performance of a three-phase permanent magnet generator, specifically focusing on the relationship between the thickness of the magnets and the induced voltage in the coils. Participants explore various factors influencing voltage induction, including magnet dimensions and configurations.

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  • Experimental/applied
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the thickness of the magnet relates to the induced voltage, noting that doubling the thickness of the magnet resulted in only a 15 percent increase in voltage, contrary to their expectation of doubling the voltage.
  • Another participant suggests that the additional thickness may be positioned at a greater distance from the coil, potentially affecting the magnetic field strength experienced by the coil.
  • There is a request for a simple diagram to clarify the geometry of the setup, indicating that visual representation may aid in understanding the relationship between magnet thickness and induced voltage.
  • A participant mentions specific dimensions and configurations of their generator setup, including details about the rotor and coil dimensions, which may influence the discussion on voltage induction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the expected relationship between magnet thickness and induced voltage, with no consensus reached on the reasons for the observed voltage increase being less than anticipated.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific experimental setups and measurements, indicating that results may depend on factors such as air gap, coil thickness, and magnet positioning, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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I am designing a three phase permenent magnet generator , and have a question.
as a magnet pair passes over a coil , inducing a voltage, that voltage is most dependent on ?
1) the angular velocity ( that's a given)
2) the pole strength
3) flux density
4) energy product.
5) thickness of the magnet ( not the width / length or diameter)

Assuming the diameter of the magnet is in the correct proportion to the coil for a three phase generator how is the the thickness of the magnet related to the induced voltage?
I have experimented with this , using 7/8" dia x 1/2" and 7/8" dia x 1" NdFeB magnets , with the same air gap , same coil , doubling the thickness only produced a 15 percent increase in voltage . why?
I was expecting to double the induced voltage .
 
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willib said:
Assuming the diameter of the magnet is in the correct proportion to the coil for a three phase generator how is the the thickness of the magnet related to the induced voltage?
I have experimented with this , using 7/8" dia x 1/2" and 7/8" dia x 1" NdFeB magnets , with the same air gap , same coil , doubling the thickness only produced a 15 percent increase in voltage . why?
I was expecting to double the induced voltage .
Can you provide a simple diagram of the geometry. It may just be that you are adding the extra thickness at a greater distance from the coil, and hence, not providing twice the field at the coil.
 
Gokul43201 said:
Can you provide a simple diagram of the geometry. It may just be that you are adding the extra thickness at a greater distance from the coil, and hence, not providing twice the field at the coil.
yes i have diagrams , but would like to ask first , are my thoughts on doubling the thickness , and hence getting double the voltage , essentially correct?
 
Gokul43201,
have you checked your private messages , i sent you one on feb 7th.
i don't know who else to turn to for an answer, the gap is adjustable and is essentially the same @ 0.460" , for both tests.
my test coils are 0.390" thick. i have several.
0.035" space top and bottom..
this is a dual rotor machine 24 poles , 48 magnets
magnets are 7/8" dia , coils are 1.75" dia,with a 7/8" hole
rotors are 10.8" dia
 
Thanks for the reply , i really appreciate it
 

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