Induced current of a coil surrounding a solenoid

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The discussion focuses on calculating the induced current in a coil surrounding a solenoid, given specific parameters such as the number of turns, radius, and resistance. The primary equation used is the induced emf formula, which incorporates the solenoid's turns per length and the rate of change of current. A participant initially calculated the induced current as 0.053 A but received feedback indicating an error in using the correct radius for the solenoid's area. The conversation emphasizes the importance of accurately applying the correct dimensions and parameters in the calculations. Ultimately, the participants acknowledge the common pitfalls in solving such physics problems.
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Homework Statement


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A coil with 170 turns, a radius of 5.0 cm, and a resistance of 12 ohms surrounds a solenoid with 230 turns/cm and a radius of 4.7 cm; see the figure. The current in the solenoid changes at a constant rate from 0 to 1.8 A in 0.11 s.

Calculate the magnitude and direction of the induced current in the 170-turn coil.

Homework Equations


EQ1: induced emf (of a circular conducting loop surrounding a solenoid)
= -(mu_0)(n)(A)(dI/dt)
where n is the turns per length in the solenoid with changing current dI/dt and loop of area A.
EQ2: induced emf = -(dflux/dt)
EQ3: flux = BA
EQ4: B_solenoid = (mu_0)(n)(I)
EQ5: I_induced = (induced emf)/R

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried to take equation 1 and compute the emf for a single loop, then I multiplied that times 170. I then divided that by 12 to get the current. However, MP says it's wrong. My result was 0.053 A using n = 23,000 turns/m, A = pi * 0.05^2, and dI/dt = 1.8/0.11.

Note: Problem is #67 from Ch 29 of Physics for Scientists and Engineers with Modern Physics By Douglas C. Giancoli, 4th ed.
 
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I got the same number for the current as you. What direction did you give for the current in 12 Ω resistor? Maybe that's what you got wrong.
 
jchoca said:
EQ1: induced emf (of a circular conducting loop surrounding a solenoid)
= -(mu_0)(n)(A)(dI/dt)
where n is the turns per length in the solenoid with changing current dI/dt and loop of area A.

The B field is confined to the solenoid. Instead of the area of the loop, you should use the area of the solenoid.

jchoca said:
My result was 0.053 A using ... A = pi * 0.05^2 ...
This is not the correct radius for calculating the area of the solenoid.
 
TSny said:
This is not the correct radius for calculating the area of the solenoid.
Oops, I missed that even though I looked to make sure that the correct solenoid radius was used. :headbang:
 
kuruman said:
Oops, I missed that even though I looked to make sure that the correct solenoid radius was used.
No problem. We're going to miss things.
 
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