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The discussion revolves around finding constant values for a mathematical sequence defined by a recurrence relation. The user correctly identifies the initial terms and sets up equations based on the sequence's formula. Clarifications are provided regarding the recurrence relation, leading to the formulation of equations that can be solved for the constants p, q, and r. Additionally, a separate geometry problem involving tangent circles is introduced, with guidance on how to approach finding the y-axis intersection of a tangent line. The conversation emphasizes problem-solving strategies and the importance of separating different mathematical inquiries into distinct threads.
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A sequence t_{1},t_{2},...t_{n},... is defined as follows:

t_{1}=14
t_{k}=24-5t_{k-1} for each k <= 2

For every positive integer n, t_{n} can be expressed as t_{n}=p*q^n+r where p, q and r are constants. The value of p, q and r is?

I found out t2=-46 and t3=254 and wrote out

14=p*q+r\\
-46=p*q^2+r\\
254=p*q^3+r

I don't know what to do from here... is what I did so far even correct? TiA.
 
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First of all, the recurrence relation ought to be:
t_{k}=24-5t_{k-1},k&gt;=2
Now, for arbitrary k, you have been given:
t_{k}=pq^{k}+r,t_{k-1}=pq^{k-1}+r
Put this into the recurrence relation, and rearrange a bit:
(q+5)pq^{k-1}=24-6r
This equality must hold for EVERY k>=2. What does that suggest to you?
 
I don't really get what's happening...
 
Well, the first thing that happened is that you had a "misprint". You had written "for each k<= 2" when you clearly meant "for each k>= 2". That was what arildno was talking about.

THEN his point was that, if you know tn= p qn+ r, you can put that into the recursion formula. Replacing n by n-1 gives tn-1= p qn-1+ r so the recursion formula says p qn+ r= 24-5(p qn-1+ r). That equation is true for all n and has 3 unknown numbers in it so you can evaluate it for 3 values of n (2, 3, 4 will do) to get 3 equations for those 3 unknowns.
That's exactly what you did so, yes, what you have done so far is correct.

Now, to solve those equations:

An obvious thing to do is subtract the first equation from the second so that you get
60= pq- pq2=pq(1-q).

Subtract the second equation from the third to get 300= pq3- pq2= pq2(1-q).

Now, from the first equation, p= 60/(q(1-q)) so the second equation is
300= 60 (q2(1-q))/(q(1-q)). That is, 300= 60 q or q= 5.
Now work back to solve for p and r.
 
I got it... thanks for your help!

...but now I have another question that I'm stuck on. I can't even begin to do anything because I have no idea how to find out the answer... so some hints or something would be appreciated.

A circle that has a radius of 3 is tangent to both the positive x-axis and the positive y-axis. Another circle with a radius of 1 is tangent to the bigger circle and to the positive x-axis. There is a line tangent to both circles. Where does this line cross the y-axis?

I had to change the question around a bit... there's a picture associated that makes it eaiser to imagine but its not that hard to draw out... and the line isn't the x-axis!
 
Refer to the following diagram:
http://img110.exs.cx/img110/7287/tangentcircles4lh.jpg
From the RED Right-Triangle construct, determine the coordinates of Points A, B, C, and D. The equation of Line AC through points A and C can then be found, and thus the equation of Line ED through Point E and Normal to Line AC at Point D can be determined. The Y-intercept of Line ED is the solution to your problem.
 
Thanks for the help... I have another (simple) question: How do I evaluate (3^2000+3^-2000)^2-(3^2000-3^-2000)^2
 
Better to put different questions into different threads.

For the last one, use a^2 - b^2 = (a+b)(a-b) and see what you get.
 
Ill do that in the future... I just don't know how to simplify (do I even simplify?) something like 3^2000+3^2000...

this is the solution... but I don't understand where 2.3 came from and how it becomes 4.3, etc...

http://img77.exs.cx/img77/8510/dme9zz.gif
 
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preet said:
Ill do that in the future... I just don't know how to simplify (do I even simplify?) something like 3^2000+3^2000...

this is the solution... but I don't understand where 2.3 came from and how it becomes 4.3, etc...

http://img77.exs.cx/img77/8510/dme9zz.gif

{2.32000} should be interpreted {2*32000}
{4.30} should be interpreted {4*30}


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wicked... it makes sense now =)
 
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