# 3 phase bridge uncontrolled rectifier, resultant waveform

1. Nov 14, 2015

### Bringitondown

Hi all,

Having difficulty understanding the above resultant wave form, been looking at power electronics (C.W.Lander) but don't quite get the addition of the wave forms (positive and negative cycles)can any one point me to some reading of theory I am missing for this, thanks.

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2. Nov 14, 2015

### Averagesupernova

I don't see how you cannot understand it if you understand the voltage/time relationship between phases and you understand how rectifiers work. Maybe you need to take a step back?

3. Nov 14, 2015

### Bringitondown

What I don't understand is why the rectified waveform does not have the positive voltage peaks (a b c) occurring at the same phase angle as the original 3 phase positive voltages
This is also happening with the flipped negative voltages. Pointed out with the dotted lines in the image above.

4. Nov 14, 2015

### Bringitondown

I think this might be the answer I'm looking for. Need to do the sums to prove I think

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5. Nov 14, 2015

### Averagesupernova

Well upon closer inspection I don't think that diagram is completely correct. The upper diagram shows one complete cycle. The lower shows slightly more than one cycle so the vertical dotted lines do not line up correctly. However, the basic shape of the rectified waveform will look pretty much as shown. Sloppy diagram in my opinion.

6. Nov 15, 2015

### Bringitondown

Thanks for your opinion, these were my initial thoughts but I thought the book couldn't be wrong.

7. Nov 18, 2015

### Bringitondown

Diagram is right.

8. Nov 18, 2015

### Averagesupernova

9. Nov 19, 2015

### Bringitondown

I will have to double check the book but it's back in the library just now but from memory the resultant voltage at the load is the difference between the line voltage and the phase voltage that would appear at the top of the load. I have annotated a chopped page from that book, please see attachment.

10. Nov 19, 2015

### Bringitondown

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11. Nov 19, 2015

### Averagesupernova

That attachment is pretty much the same. Wrong. Notice the waveform in the top that starts at zero, goes positive, goes back through zero, goes negative and completes on cycle where the drawing ends at zero. Now do the same on the bottom except of course it does not swing negative, it goes back positive but it DOES NOT end up at zero at the same place the top one does. It is wrong.

12. Nov 20, 2015

I disagree - the diagrams are correct, could be better notated however.

Ref Post #10

The top is Van, Vbn, Vcn, the second is |Vca|, |Vab|, |Vbc|

Since we are only concerned when the Load ( a 6 pule diode rectifier) is positive biased - the second waveform is folded to show the 6 points in the cycle where different pairs of diodes are conducting. The Horizontal axis is 0V, and we "see" phase shift, but we are now talking about Vphase to phase vs Vp-n..

Example -Red point 1
Van is at its peak. However |Vba| is decreasing, and |Vca| is increasing. At this point where Vbn = Vcn (not zero) ... Vbc=0 the bottom diodes in the B and C legs of the rectifier commutate, and the Top Rectifier in A stays forward boards here ( but this is the ideal case, - important to not make real world assumptions based on ideal conditions at points like this )

So the ripple (@ 60Hz line) is 60 hz * pulses (3 Phase * 2 "polarities" ) = 360 Hz

13. Nov 20, 2015

### Bringitondown

Thanks for the ripple calc, useful and explained well.