A body on a table with friction.

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The discussion revolves around calculating the mass m3 required for a system to move at constant speed, given the coefficients of kinetic friction and the masses m1 and m2. The equations of motion for m1 and m2 are established, leading to the conclusion that T1 equals m1g and T2 equals m2g due to zero acceleration. The final formula for m3 simplifies to m3 = (m2g - m1g) / μg, emphasizing the importance of canceling terms to simplify calculations. Participants highlight the efficiency of using constant speed conditions to streamline the problem-solving process. Overall, the approach and calculations presented are deemed correct and effective.
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Hello, I'd like to know if this is correct ... thank you.

Homework Statement



You are given that the coefficient of kinetic friction between the block and the table in the attachment is 0.560, and m1 = 0.135 kg and m2 = 0.260 kg. (a) What should m3 be if the system is to move with a constant speed? (Assume ideal conditions for the string and pulleys.)

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The Attempt at a Solution



Start by writing down all of the forces involved in m1 and m2...

\Sigma F_{m1} = T_1 - m_1g = m_1a<br />
<br /> \Sigma F_{m2} = T_2 - m_2g = m_2a<br />
<br /> \Sigma F_{m3} = T_2 - T_1 - \mu m_3g = 0 <br />
I write = 0 because constant speed means no acceleration... so no acceleration means that F = ma => F = 0.

Now I have to solve this thingy, solve for T1 And T2 in the first two and stick it in the third.. getting..
<br /> T_1 = m_1g + m_1a<br />
<br /> T_2 = m_2g + m_2a<br />
<br /> m_2g + m_2a - m_1g - m_1a - \mu m_3g = 0<br />

Okie dokie, now we are able to solve for m3...
<br /> m_3 = \frac{m_2g + m_2a - m_1g - m_1a}{\mu g} \rightarrow \frac{m_2g - m_1g}{\mu g}

<br /> \frac{1,225}{5.488} = 0.2232
 
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Looks good. A few comments:
dttah said:
<br /> T_1 = m_1g + m_1a<br />
<br /> T_2 = m_2g + m_2a<br />
Since a = 0, you should immediately write T1 = m1g and T2 = m2g.

<br /> m_3 = \frac{m_2g + m_2a - m_1g - m_1a}{\mu g} \rightarrow \frac{m_2g - m_1g}{\mu g}
Good, but cancel those g's. The more you can cancel and simplify before reaching for the calculator the better.
 
The result looks good.

Note that certain shortcuts present themselves when you are given that velocity is constant; Since there's no acceleration your formulas for the tensions can simplify accordingly. No need to carry any acceleration terms after that point. The net horizontal force on m3 is then just the difference in the tensions.
 
Yeah, I noticed I had to write a = 0 just afterwards and I was too lazy to correct all the latex. Good point about the g's, will do next time. Thank you! ;)
 
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