America you don't know what you've done.

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When I see the violent and passionate protests against the US right across the Arab world I feel a great dread and sadness at what I know is coming. There will be a level of terrorism that the US has never known. Look at the anger that is building. The anti-American hatred that the US is generating in Arab countries will fuel decades of terrorism. I predict that for years to come there will be many more terrorist attacks on US soil and unfortunately many deaths. If you thought the terrorist attack on 9/11 was bad just watch out. Worse is to come. The US - so much power and so little wisdom.
 

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Alias
Go hide in a closet. We'll let you know when it's over.
 
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russ_watters
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Go hide in a closet. We'll let you know when it's over.
Lol, Alias. I won't tell him if you don't...
 
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Go hide in a closet. We'll let you know when it's over.
Sometimes I wonder why I bother caring.
 
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Alias
Caring is fine and noble. I think that most of us actually do. The problem is that caring alone isn't enough. What is worse, is caring about those that don't give a crap about you. This is where people at this forum seem to have a problem.

Not all people are good, just because they are human. Some people are bad. Some people have no consideration for their fellow humans and never will. These people are best left alone. Unfortunately, sometimes these people wish to impose their will on you, your friends or your family. When this happens, it is necessary to act. And yes sometimes when you act, it is like agitating a hornets nest. Things sometimes become more difficult. But that's life. You deal with the threat, absorb your loses, and move on.

Of course, when dealing with dangerous human beings, you have a couple of options. One method is to imprison, rehabilitate, and then release. Another is to kill. Sometimes the former is not effective. That leaves us with the latter. Sadam, his followers, and every anti-western terrorist falls under the last category. The best thing that can be done, for the sake of humanity, is to kill these people. I know it sounds harsh, but it is the only viable alternative.
 
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Zero
Alias, the question is, how far do you go? Do you resort to genocide so you can feel safe against an attack that will likely not affect you personally? You cannot fight terrorism with killing,because it simply creates more terrorism...THAT'S THE POINT OF TERRORISM! Terrorism, in part, is designed to force teh very reaction you advocate. You have the makings of a terrorist supporter in your own way, whether you know it or not.
 
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Alias
Originally posted by Zero
You cannot fight terrorism with killing, because it simply creates more terrorism...THAT'S THE POINT OF TERRORISM!
I disagree. It's like fighting gangs in LA. You kill one gang member, you're in trouble. You kill all of them, you own the turf.

Of course, I understand it is not as simple as that, but it's a start.

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Question: Do you think that Usama Bin Laden would stand down his fighters if the US military pulled out of Saudi Arabia, and the US stopped supporting Israel? (Disregard the current conflict in Iraq)
 
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Zero
Originally posted by Alias
I disagree. It's like fighting gangs in LA. You kill one gang member, you're in trouble. You kill all of them, you own the turf.

Of course, I understand it is not as simple as that, but it's a start.

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Question: Do you think that Usama Bin Laden would stand down his fighters if the US military pulled out of Saudi Arabia, and the US stopped supporting Israel? (Disregard the current conflict in Iraq)
No, it isn't a start....it is a recipe for more violence. Will you kill a man's children, to make sure they don't grow up hating you for killing their father? Will you show 'mercy' by sterilizing their wives and daughters?
 
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Alias
You can't not punish people for doing the wrong thing because it might make them angry.

So what's your solution to terrorism?

Oh, and answer my Bin Laden question!?!!?!??!
 
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Zero
Hmmmm....is revenge the most important thing in your mind? Is it worth destroying entire cultures for the sake of vengence? And who are you going to punish, exactly? That is one of teh points of terrorism; no uniforms, not central organization, no one to punish.
 
  • #11
Alias
No. Defense is the most important.

How would you handle it?

And what about this question...

Do you think that Usama Bin Laden would stand down his fighters if the US military pulled out of Saudi Arabia, and the US stopped supporting Israel? (Disregard the current conflict in Iraq)
 
  • #12
Zero
I can't tell you what Bin Laden would do...I'm not a TV psychic.

I can tell you that defense and mass murder are not the same thing. You seem to suggest that we should simply gun down people who disagree with U.S. policies, on the grounds that some of them might be terrorists.
 
  • #13
N_Quire
Alias, First of all I support this war against Saddam Hussein. I think it's the right thing to do and I think the world will come around eventually and agree that eliminating Saddam and his leadership was an act of liberation.

However, you can't simply dismiss the war critics as cowards and bleeding heart liberals. They have a point when they say that anti-American sentiment is being fuelled and that the world could become less safe as a result of the war. There are huge costs to consider, for instance losses of business income as a result of American reluctance to travel abroad, damage to relations with our allies, future mistrust of America and its motives, etc, etc.

When the war is over, there will have to be reconstruction and diplomacy, not just in Iraq but between the USA and France, Germany, and so on. American isolationism would be pointless.

The peace protesters should understand too that the time for their efforts is not simply in times of war but they should be doing their bit by whatever means available to stop thugs and tyrants coming to power. War is not only a failing of politics and diplomacy, it is also a sign of the failure of the peace movement in finding ways to be active and constructive in global politics. It is so easy and lazy to demonstrate when war has started. What are these folks doing in peace time to keep the peace?

So please, Alias, a complete picture is needed. Military might couple with diplomacy and enlightened leadership are required.
 
  • #14
Alias
N_Quire,

You are mostly correct.

However, when it comes to terrorists that hate Americans, and activly try to kill them, there is only one correct response. That response is to kill them. If that makes other people hate and want to kill Americans as well, then I say kill them too. Let the cycle continue as long is it must until people realize that trying to kill Americans will only bring them death. I firmly beleive that at some point, people will get the message.

My main argument with the left is, they rarely have a viable solution and mostly consume time, resources, and sometimes human life with their complaints.
 
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N_Quire
Alias, I agree with you. Even if a direct link between Al Qaeda and Saddam is yet to be proved, I don't need evidence of the link in order to support the war. Saddam is a brutal dictator who maims, tortures, gases and murders the citizens of his own country. He should and will be removed.
 
  • #16
Nicool003
When I see the violent and passionate protests against the US right across the Arab world I feel a great dread and sadness at what I know is coming.
Think for a minute. Afghanistan "hated" us because the women couldn't speak out and the men were forced into terror training centers or else forced to work. Now Afghanistan loves us. They have been doing well. The same will be for Iraq. THey hate saddam but are forced to live under his rule and everyone else was too much of a WIMP to do anything.


There will be a level of terrorism that the US has never known. Look at the anger that is building. The anti-American hatred that the US is generating in Arab countries will fuel decades of terrorism. I predict that for years to come there will be many more terrorist attacks on US soil and unfortunately many deaths. If you thought the terrorist attack on 9/11 was bad just watch out.
How do you know?

The US - so much power and so little wisdom
stick that your ear.
 
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The point that I can help noticing is that the Trade Center Massacre happened while we were at peace. And look what it got us. Hoping that if we left them alone, they would leave us alone and adopting a "live in let live" stance resulted in those attacks.

Immediately after the attacks, an Arab businessman made the comment, "perhaps the U.S. should rethink its policies in the Middle East".

Perhaps we have.
 
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I love how the "liberals" are always advocating peace but never offering any viable alternatives. Do you honestly believe if we love Saddam enough and send some white doves flying over Iraq things will be ok? Zero, do you have any bright ideas about what could be done?

Because all I've seen from people who think like you is a few semi-hostile (and pointless) protests about the war which did nothing but give people without jobs something to do and waste even more government money.

I do support the war because I think the US is going about things fairly carefully - I wouldn't condone a straight bombing, but I'm sick of liberals doing _nothing_ but whining and worshipping Tom Daschle.
 
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Ben-CS
Who is Tom Daschle? Is he someone I should know about? May I make puns from his name?
 
  • #20
damgo
^^^ Tom Daschle is a US Senator; he's the Democratic minority leader.

It's begging the question to ask "well what other solutions than war do you have to get rid of Saddam?" What if I said "China/North Korea/the USSR is a repressive dictatorship, how else will we get rid of it besides war???" Maybe there's no other way, but should we invade China? Hell no.

A better question is "will a war to remove Saddam do more harm than good?" Anti-war people often (not always) think the answer to this is no.
 
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I disagree. It's like fighting gangs in LA. You kill one gang member, you're in trouble. You kill all of them, you own the turf.

Of course, I understand it is not as simple as that, but it's a start.
That was Hitler's philosophy. Kill all the Jews, you own the turf.
 
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Originally posted by Laser Eyes
That was Hitler's philosophy. Kill all the Jews, you own the turf.
So..in order to make your point seem superior you must make such a stretch as to compare jews to gangs? Hitler's philosophy was to kill the jews and you have a nice superior anglo saxon world. Give me a break, your bordering on the dispicable.
 
  • #23
kyleb
i find it despicable to see people ignoring the similarities between the two.
 
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kat
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Originally posted by kyleb
i find it despicable to see people ignoring the similarities between the two.
Oh, really, maybe you should explain to all what the similarities between gangs and jews are? please, do tell.
 
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kyleb
i am talking about the similarities between wiping out gangs who you don't get along with and religions you don't get along with.
 

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