Angle when a projectile is launched at a height from the ground

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This discussion revolves around projectile motion, specifically examining the angle of projection for a projectile launched from a height above the ground. The original poster is interested in understanding how the angle of launch affects the maximum horizontal displacement when the projectile lands back on the ground level.

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  • The original poster questions the relationship between the launch angle, height, and maximum horizontal displacement. Some participants provide equations related to projectile motion and suggest eliminating variables to express horizontal distance as a function of the angle.

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Participants are exploring various equations and relationships relevant to the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the equations of motion, and there is acknowledgment of the need to derive certain relations. However, there is no explicit consensus on a single approach or solution.

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There is a mention of the problem not being strictly homework, but rather a conceptual inquiry. Participants also note the importance of considering air resistance and the implications of launching from a height.

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This a question from projectile motion. This is NOT "homework"; it's a concept that got me thinking.

When a projectile is launched from the ground level and it falls back on the same (ground) level, the horizontal displacement is maximised if the angle of projection (with respect to the horizontal) is 45 degrees.

BUT when the projectile is launched from a height above the ground, and it falls onto the ground level, the maximum horizontal displacement is covered if the angle of projection is slightly less than 45 degrees.

[PLEASE SEE THE ATTACHED THUMBNAIL]

My question is, what relation can we derive to determine the angle theta (w.r.t. the horizontal) at which the projectile should be launched from that height h so as to get maximum horizontal displacement M? That is, what is the relation between theta, h, R and M as per the illustration (attached)?
R is the horizontal displacement if the angle of projection at h were 45 degrees.
 

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The basic equations you need to work with are (ignoring air resistance):
0 = h + vtsinθ - gt2/2 (process stops when you hit the ground)
d = vtcosθ

d = horizontal distance, t = time of flight, v = initial speed of projectile, g = accceleration due to gravity

Eliminate t to get d as a function of θ. Use calculus to maximize d.
 
Try this:
##sin \alpha = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2 - \frac{2gh}{u^2}}}##

(Negative value of 'h' needs to be applied for points below. )

(I know I am not supposed to post answers here but I guess it is easier than telling you how to work it out.)

Deriving that is your homework.
 
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cookiecrumbzz said:
This a question from projectile motion. This is NOT "homework"; it's a concept that got me thinking.

But it certainly could be, so to the homework forum with it.
 
mathman said:
The basic equations you need to work with are (ignoring air resistance):
0 = h + vtsinθ - gt2/2 (process stops when you hit the ground)
d = vtcosθ

d = horizontal distance, t = time of flight, v = initial speed of projectile, g = accceleration due to gravity

Eliminate t to get d as a function of θ. Use calculus to maximize d.

Thanks. That does give me the relation I wanted!
(Btw, I got this from Wolfram|Alpha.)
 

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