Another integral getting a bunch of conflicting info, extremely confused.

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The problem involves evaluating the integral of sin³(7x) with a focus on understanding the application of integration techniques and formulas. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the correctness of a reduction formula for integrating powers of sine.

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  • Participants discuss different methods for integrating sin³(7x), including substitution and the use of reduction formulas. Some question the validity of the reduction formula provided in the original poster's textbook, while others suggest alternative approaches to simplify the integral.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the integral and the methods used. Some guidance has been offered regarding alternative ways to approach the problem, but there is no explicit consensus on the best method or resolution of the original poster's confusion.

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There is mention of conflicting information regarding the reduction formula and its application, as well as concerns about simplification errors. The original poster is seeking clarity on why their approach did not yield correct results.

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Homework Statement



This is perhaps the most confused I've ever been.


\int sin^{3}7x dx

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The Attempt at a Solution



First, I let u = 7x. du = 7 dx

Here's where the trouble begins.


\frac{1}{7}\int sin^{3}U dU

Now my book claims the following:

\int sin^{n}x dx = -\frac{1}{n}sin^{n-1}x cos x + \frac{n-1}{n}\int sin^{n-2}xdx

Working that gives me:

\frac{1}{7}[-\frac{1}{3}sin^{2}u cos u - \frac{2}{3} cos u]

Here's the problem. Not only does this simplify to a completely incorrect answer, but my application of:

\int sin^{n}x dx = -\frac{1}{n}sin^{n-1}x cos x + \frac{n-1}{n}\int sin^{n-2}xdx

Doesn't even lead to a correct integral of (sin x)^3 alone, according to wolfram. Is this formula BS?
 
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Why don't you start by writing

\sin^3(7x) = \sin(7x)(1 - cos^2(7x)

You don't need a reduction formula at all.
 
That's all well and good, but I really need to understand why what I did does not work.
 
Integrating by parts mean that

\int{u'vdx}=uv-\int{uv' dx}

\int{sin^n(x)}dx =\int{sin(x)sin^{n-1}(x)dx},

u'=sin(x) and v=sin(n-1)(x).

\int{sin(x)sin^{n-1}(x)dx}=-cos(x)sin^{n-1}(x)+(n-1)\int{cos^2(x)sin^{n-2}(x)dx}

Edit: Replacing cos^2(x) by 1-sin^2(x) and rearranging, it leads to your formula.

\int sin^{n}x dx = -\frac{1}{n}sin^{n-1}x cos x + \frac{n-1}{n}\int sin^{n-2}xdx

ehild
 
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Your formula is correct. My book also lists the formula
\int{sin^3udu}=-\frac{1}{3}(2+sin^2u)cosu+C
Which is what I got when I used the generic n formula.

Perhaps you simplified incorrectly. (your work posted here appears correct) And perhaps what wolfram returned was equivalent to the known answer.
 

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