Ball rolls of an edge and lands on and inclined plane

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The problem involves a ball rolling off a ledge and landing on an inclined plane, with the goal of deriving an equation for the distance \( d \) as a function of the initial horizontal speed \( v \) and the angle \( \theta \). The context is rooted in kinematics and projectile motion.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to use kinematic equations to relate vertical and horizontal motion but struggles with eliminating time from the equations. Some participants suggest using conservation of energy, while others note that the original poster has not yet learned enough about this concept to apply it effectively. There is also a suggestion to utilize time-independent kinematic equations and the geometry of projectile motion.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants have provided alternative methods that do not rely on time, while the original poster is seeking guidance on how to proceed after being advised that their initial approach may not be correct.

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There is a mention that the original poster has not yet covered conservation of energy in sufficient depth to apply it to the problem. This limitation may affect the strategies available for solving the problem.

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the ball rolls at a constant speed, fast enough to travel straight off the ledge and eventually lands on the inclined plane. The task is to derive an equation for d as a function of v (the initial horizontal speed of the ball) and theta.

2. The attempt at a solution
I started by trying to find y by using [tex]\Delta d_{y}= 1/2g \Delta t^2[/tex]
then I moved on to x which is simply [tex]v \Delta t[/tex]
I also know that [tex]\Theta = tan^{-1} (\frac{1/2 g \Delta t^2}{v \Delta t})[/tex]
this is all great, but i wasn't quite sure how to get rid of the t

after some more fiddling i also found that [tex]\Delta t = \frac{d cos \Theta}{v}[/tex], but along that same train of thought, if [tex]d = \sqrt{x^2 + y^2}[/tex] and [tex]x = d cos \Theta[/tex] then that wouldn't work.

my teacher told me i wasn't on the right track so i started over, but i haven't gotten anywhere with that. some help to point me in the right direction would be great
 
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I would tackle it using conservation of energy. Such an analysis would be completely time-independent from the get go.
 
we haven't learned about conservation of energy yet (well, not enough to be able to apply any mathematical solution to a problem). so that might be a challenge
 
OK, then do it using only time-independent kinematic equations. Have you studied projectile motion? If so, then you should have seen an equation for the trajectory of a projectile that doesn't contain t. It is the equation of a parabola that opens downward. You also can write down the equation of the line that contains the inclined plane (remember that the slope of a line is equal to the tangent of its angle of inclination). So basically you can reduce this whole problem to the geometrical problem of finding where the parabola intersects the line.
 

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