Birds in uniform cirular motion

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving birds in uniform circular motion, specifically focusing on their speed, acceleration, and the angle of their velocity vector relative to the horizontal. The problem includes parameters such as the radius of the circular path and the vertical rise rate of the birds.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the bird's speed relative to the ground and the magnitude and direction of its acceleration. There are attempts to determine the angle between the bird's velocity vector and the horizontal using trigonometric functions. Questions arise regarding the definitions of variables and the correct interpretation of equations related to circular motion.

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Some participants have provided calculations for speed and acceleration, while others are exploring different methods to find the angle. There is an ongoing exchange of ideas, with no explicit consensus reached on the approach to measuring the angle.

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Participants note the assumption of uniform acceleration and the presence of vertical motion, which adds complexity to the problem. There is also mention of potential confusion regarding the distinction between velocity and acceleration in the context of the problem.

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Hi friends,

Homework Statement


Birds of prey rise up and down on thermals. A bird completes circle of radius 10m every 6s and rises vertically at a rate of 4.0 m/s. Assume uniform acceleration. Find

a)speed of bird relative to ground
b)magnitude of acceleration
c)direction of birds acceleration
d)angle between birds velocity vector and horizontal.

Homework Equations



ar = v^2/r

The Attempt at a Solution


I have got answers for a to c. a) 11.2 m/s b) 11 m/s^2 c) 0°

But I can't really figure out how i can measure the angle.

Could it be tan-1 = 4/11.2 = 19.65?

God in the past few days I have been dreaming about angles.

Please help me.
 
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iluvphys said:
Hi friends,

Homework Statement


Birds of prey rise up and down on thermals. A bird completes circle of radius 10m every 6s and rises vertically at a rate of 4.0 m/s. Assume uniform acceleration. Find

a)speed of bird relative to ground
b)magnitude of acceleration
c)direction of birds acceleration
d)angle between birds velocity vector and horizontal.


Homework Equations



ar = v^2/r


The Attempt at a Solution


I have got answers for a to c. a) 11.2 m/s b) 11 m/s^2 c) 0°

But I can't really figure out how i can measure the angle.

Could it be tan-1 = 4/11.2 = 19.65?

God in the past few days I have been dreaming about angles.

Please help me.

w = 2*π*f =v/r

v = 2*π*r*f

There is also the acceleration of 4 m/s2 in the z direction don't forget.

As to your dreams, maybe try and forget the acute ones? There are plenty of others out there.
 
Hi Pion, thanks for the reply.

What do you mean by w = 2*π*f =v/r

v = 2*π*r*f?
What is w, n, and f?

Is this how I get the angle?

Also 4m/s is the velocity not the acceleration :-)

Please help
 
Yeah.
I got the answer but I did it in a different way.

I separated the vector into its components vx and vy.

vx = 4 vy = 10.47

then: tan-1 = 4/10.47 = 20.something!

Thanks anyway!
 

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