Blackbody Radiation - Entropy and Internal Energy

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The discussion revolves around deriving expressions for the entropy and internal energy of black body radiation, utilizing specific equations related to free energy, partition function, and temperature. Participants are exploring the mathematical relationships and integral calculations involved in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to rearrange the relationship between free energy, internal energy, and entropy to calculate entropy. They express difficulty with the integral related to free energy. Other participants suggest using a u-substitution to simplify the integral and provide a specific form for it. There is also a reminder about the importance of limits of integration.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering suggestions for substitutions and clarifications regarding the integral. There is acknowledgment of the challenges faced, particularly with the integral calculation, but no consensus has been reached on a solution yet.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the need to consider the limits of integration and the independence of certain variables from the photon's frequency. The original poster mentions having written down the limits but is unsure how to present them in the discussion.

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Homework Statement



Expression for the entropy and internal energy of black body radiation.

Using the below relations:

Homework Equations



Total free energy for black body:
$$ F = (k_b TV/\pi^2) \int k^2 ln[1-exp(-\hbar ck/k_b T)]dk $$
Relationship between partition function and internal energy:
$$ E = -\partial ln(z)/ \partial \beta $$

Where ##\beta## is the inverse temperature given by:
$$ \beta = (1/k_b T) $$
Relationship between the free energy, internal energy and entropy:
$$ F = E - TS $$

The Attempt at a Solution



If I use ## F = E - TS## rearranged to

$$ S = (E-F)/T $$

Then substitute the relations in and calculate.

I make a little progress until I hit the ## F ## part, the integral gives me some problems as I am having trouble calculating it, I tried using Wolfram Alpha as a guide but it won't actually give me an answer which suggested to me that I'm going about it the wrong way.
 
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Use a u-substitution, like

u = \frac{\hbar c k}{k_B T}

then you get

dk = \frac{k_B T}{\hbar c} du

and the integral becomes

F = \left( \frac{V}{\pi^2}\right) \left(\frac{(k_B T)^4}{(\hbar c)^3} \right) \int u^2 \ln{\left(1-e^{-u}\right)}du

which you can easily use Wolfram Alpha to solve
 
Don't forget the limits of integration. The variables are independent of photon's (angular) frequency.
 
kreil said:
Use a u-substitution, like

u = \frac{\hbar c k}{k_B T}

then you get

dk = \frac{k_B T}{\hbar c} du

and the integral becomes

F = \left( \frac{V}{\pi^2}\right) \left(\frac{(k_B T)^4}{(\hbar c)^3} \right) \int u^2 \ln{\left(1-e^{-u}\right)}du

which you can easily use Wolfram Alpha to solve

Oh man, I really should have seen that...

dextercioby said:
Don't forget the limits of integration. The variables are independent of photon's (angular) frequency.

Yeah I have the limits wrote down, I just didn't know how to show them in the post.
 
Code:
\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} x^2 dx

=\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} x^2 dx

You can also right click any TeX equation to see the code that produced it.
 

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