Bob & Ted See Different Ages for Alice on Earth

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In summary: So, when they both return to Earth, Bob will have aged about 36 days, while Ted will have aged about 159 days.In summary, Bob and Ted both leave Earth at the same time, but travel at different speeds and measure different trip times. They both return at the same time, but have aged differently due to the effects of time dilation.
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What is Alice's age?
Bob, Alice and Ted are all on earth. Bob leaves Earth traveling at .08 light speed for 6 months out then turns around and heads back to earth. Effectively he has been traveling for a total of 1 light year. Ted leaves Earth at the same time as Bob but only travels at .04 the speed of light for 3 months then turns around to head back to earth. Both Bob and Ted should arrive back at Earth at the same time. How do they both view Alice?
 
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Edit: this is a response to an older version of the OP.

You can't travel at the speed of light, so Bob's part of this experiment is impossible, and no useful discussion can be had about it.

Ted will return home in six months (three months out, three months back), unless he travels at a very different speed on his return leg. This is not the same as Bob, even if we modify Bob to be doing something possible, since his journey is a year long.

Can I suggest that you check the details of your experiment? Then you may wish to look through the many twin paradox threads here for the Doppler effect resolution of the twin paradox, since it directly discusses what twins see of each other.

One comment: if you define the travel times of the travellers in the Earth frame, as you appear to have done, the answer to "how old is the stay at home" is trivial - the amount of time you chose.
 
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You should also do some calculations.
 
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So Alice is experiences a year while Bob and Ted are travelling. What's the problem?

Edit: no, you still have the problem that one twin travels for half the time the other one does. You need to fix that.
 
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Summary:: What is Alice's age?

Bob, Alice and Ted are all on earth. Bob leaves Earth traveling at light speed for 6 months out then turns around and heads back to earth. Effectively he has been traveling for a total of 1 light year. Ted leaves Earth at the same time as Bob but only travels at half the speed of light for 3 months then turns around to head back to earth. Both Bob and Ted should arrive back at Earth at the same time. How do they both view Alice?
To reiterate what @Ibix has said, travel at the speed of light is not possible.
But even if we change to the speeds to 98% and 49% of light speed, your analysis makes no sense.
How can Ted, who leaves at the same time as Bob and makes a round trip in half the time that Bob does return at the same time as Bob?

In addition, you don't specify who's clock is measuring the trip time. Is it being measured by the Earth, or by Bob and Ted themselves?

If you are going by each ship's time, then it is possible for Bob and Ted to leave Earth at the same time, meaure different trips times, and return to Earth at the same time.
For example, let's assume that Bob's round trip time ( according to Earth) is 6 mo, and he is traveling at 0.98c relative to the Earth. Then Bob will measure the trip as taking just under 1/10 of a year (36.3 days) by his clock.
Ted is traveling a 0.49c, again with a round trip time of 6 mo ( according to the Earth), so he returns at the same time as Bob. However, he will measure his trip as taking something over 4/10 of a year (159 days) by his clock
 
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1. How is it possible for Bob and Ted to see different ages for Alice on Earth?

According to Einstein's theory of relativity, time is relative and can vary depending on the observer's perspective. This means that different observers can experience time differently, leading to the possibility of seeing different ages for the same person.

2. How does the theory of relativity explain the phenomenon in "Bob & Ted See Different Ages for Alice on Earth"?

The theory of relativity states that time and space are intertwined and can be affected by gravity and motion. In the scenario of "Bob & Ted See Different Ages for Alice on Earth," the difference in the observers' relative speeds causes a difference in the passage of time, resulting in the perception of different ages for Alice.

3. Is the scenario in "Bob & Ted See Different Ages for Alice on Earth" possible in real life?

Yes, the phenomenon described in "Bob & Ted See Different Ages for Alice on Earth" is possible in real life. The theory of relativity has been proven through numerous experiments and is widely accepted in the scientific community.

4. Can the theory of relativity be applied to other situations besides the scenario in "Bob & Ted See Different Ages for Alice on Earth"?

Yes, the theory of relativity has been applied to various situations, including space travel, GPS technology, and the behavior of black holes. It is a fundamental concept in modern physics and has numerous practical applications.

5. How does the concept of time dilation relate to the scenario in "Bob & Ted See Different Ages for Alice on Earth"?

Time dilation is a phenomenon predicted by the theory of relativity, where time passes slower for objects in motion compared to those at rest. In the scenario of "Bob & Ted See Different Ages for Alice on Earth," the faster-moving observer experiences time dilation, leading to the perception of a slower passage of time and a younger age for Alice.

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