Bullet and pendulum bob initial speed help momentum.

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The discussion centers on calculating the initial speed of a bullet that embeds into a pendulum bob, which subsequently rises a vertical distance of 8 cm. The user initially applies the formula v=sqrt((1+M/m)*2gh) but receives an incorrect answer from the homework platform. It is clarified that the mass should not be included in the velocity calculation, as the correct formula for the pendulum's velocity is v=sqrt(2gh). After determining the correct velocity, conservation of momentum can be used to find the bullet's initial speed. The importance of correctly applying the equations and understanding the role of mass in the calculations is emphasized.
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Homework Statement



An 7.0 g bullet is fired into a 3.5 kg pendulum bob initially at rest and becomes embedded in it. If the pendulum rises a vertical distance of 8.0 cm, calculate the initial speed of the bullet.
________m/s


Homework Equations



well there's many ways to do it, but here's one way:
v=sqrt((1+M/m)*2gh)

i tried it another way too, and got the same answer that i did with the above equation

The Attempt at a Solution



so first, 7g bullet = .007kg bullet and height of 8cm = .08m

ok so then v=sqrt((1+3.5/.007)*2*9.8*.08) = ~28.03 m/s

now, i tried this TWO WAYS and got the same answer.
but webassign says it's wrong.

why?
 
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The velocity of the pendulum and the bullet is given by:

v=\sqrt{2gh}

The mass shouldn't enter into that part. Once v is known one can use the conservation of momentum to find the bullets initial speed.

EDIT: I see what you've done to include the mass. The problem is the mass part should be outside the square root.
 
Kurdt said:
The velocity of the pendulum and the bullet is given by:

v=\sqrt{2gh}

The mass shouldn't enter into that part. Once v is known one can use the conservation of momentum to find the bullets initial speed.

EDIT: I see what you've done to include the mass. The problem is the mass part should be outside the square root.

which mass are you talking about?
 
The (1+M/m) term.
 
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