Calculate definite integrals with given interval.

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of definite integrals, specifically focusing on the integral of the function \(\sin(\theta)\cos(\theta)\) over the interval \([0, \frac{\pi}{2}]\). Participants are examining the correct application of the fundamental theorem of calculus in this context.

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  • Participants are attempting to verify the correct evaluation of the definite integral and are questioning the validity of different approaches to finding the antiderivative. There is a focus on the proper treatment of the interval and the implications of including the differential \(d\theta\). Some participants express confusion over the results presented and seek clarification on the correct method of evaluation.

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The discussion is active, with multiple interpretations being explored regarding the evaluation of the integral. Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the evaluation, while others are questioning the assumptions made in the initial posts. There is no explicit consensus, but productive dialogue is occurring around the correct methodology.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention that the integral is part of a longer equation related to the Bessel Function, indicating that there may be additional context or constraints influencing their reasoning. There is also a reference to the potential misunderstanding of the application of the product rule in the context of definite integrals.

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I just want to verify is this the way to calculate the result of a definite integral with the given interval. Say the result of the integral over [0,##\frac{\pi}{2}##] is
[tex]\sin(\theta)\cos(\theta)d\theta|_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}}[/tex]

It should be:
[tex]\sin(\theta)\cos(\theta)d\theta|_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}}=\left[\sin\left(\frac{\pi}{2}\right)-\sin 0\right]\left[\cos\left(\frac{\pi}{2}\right)-\cos 0\right]=[1-0][0-1]=1[/tex]

NOT
[tex]\sin(\theta)\cos(\theta)d\theta|_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}}=\left[\sin\left(\frac{\pi}{2}\right)\cos\left(\frac{\pi}{2}\right)\right]-[\sin 0\cos 0]= [0][0]=0[/tex]
 
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yungman said:
I just want to verify is this the way to calculate the result of a definite integral with the given interval. Say the result of the integral over [0,##\frac{\pi}{2}##] is
[tex]\sin(\theta)\cos(\theta)d\theta|_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}}[/tex]
If the above is the antiderivative, there shouldn't be a factor of ##d\theta##. What was the original integral?
yungman said:
It should be:
[tex]\sin(\theta)\cos(\theta)d\theta|_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}}=\left[\sin\left(\frac{\pi}{2}\right)-\sin 0\right]\left[\cos\left(\frac{\pi}{2}\right)-\cos 0\right]=[1-0][0-1]=1[/tex]

NOT
[tex]\sin(\theta)\cos(\theta)d\theta|_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}}=\left[\sin\left(\frac{\pi}{2}\right)\cos\left(\frac{\pi}{2}\right)\right]-[\sin 0\cos 0]= [0][0]=0[/tex]


Based on what you show as the result of integration, the NOT example is the correct way of evaluating the antiderivative. The "should be" example is incorrect.

Again, it would help to see where you're starting from.
 
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Mark44 said:
If the above is the antiderivative, there shouldn't be a factor of ##d\theta##. What was the original integral?Based on what you show as the result of integration, the NOT example is the correct way of evaluating the antiderivative. The "should be" example is incorrect.

Again, it would help to see where you're starting from.

Thanks, It is part of a longer equation:
[tex]\int \sin^m\theta d\theta=\frac{1}{m}\sin^{m-1}\theta\cos\theta+\frac{m-1}{m}\int \sin^{m-2}\theta d\theta[/tex]

I just take out the first term for the question.

Can you explain why the second way is the correct way instead? I thought you should take care of the interval term by term!

Thanks
 
Let's look at your integral with m = 2. Your equation would simplify to this:
$$ \int_0^{\pi/2} \sin^2(\theta)d\theta = \left.(1/2) \sin(\theta)\cos(\theta)\right|_0^{\pi/2} + (1/2)\int_0^{\pi/2} d\theta $$

To evaluate the antiderivative just to the right of the =, above, do just what you did in your NOT example.
 
Mark44 said:
Let's look at your integral with m = 2. Your equation would simplify to this:
$$ \int_0^{\pi/2} \sin^2(\theta)d\theta = \left.(1/2) \sin(\theta)\cos(\theta)\right|_0^{\pi/2} + (1/2)\int_0^{\pi/2} d\theta $$

To evaluate the antiderivative just to the right of the =, above, do just what you did in your NOT example.

Thanks
This is really part of the question on the Bessel Function where this appears to be the pivotal part in the integral representation of Bessel Function.
 
yungman said:
I just want to verify is this the way to calculate the result of a definite integral with the given interval. Say the result of the integral over [0,##\frac{\pi}{2}##] is
[tex]\sin(\theta)\cos(\theta)d\theta|_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}}[/tex]

It should be:
[tex]\sin(\theta)\cos(\theta)d\theta|_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}}=\left[\sin\left(\frac{\pi}{2}\right)-\sin 0\right]\left[\cos\left(\frac{\pi}{2}\right)-\cos 0\right]=[1-0][0-1]=1[/tex]

First, [1- 0][0-1]= -1, not 1. More importantly [tex]\left[f(x)g(x)\right]_a^b= f(b)g(b)- f(a)g(a)[/tex] which is NOT equal to (f(b)- f(a))(g(b)- g(a))= f(b)g(b)- f(a)g(b)- f(b)g(a)+ f(a)g(a).

NOT
[tex]\sin(\theta)\cos(\theta)d\theta|_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}}=\left[\sin\left(\frac{\pi}{2}\right)\cos\left(\frac{\pi}{2}\right)\right]-[\sin 0\cos 0]= [0][0]=0[/tex]
 

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