Calculate Heavy Load Mass Lost on Inclined Truck | Homework Solution

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The discussion revolves around a physics homework problem involving a truck with a heavy load that loses its load while climbing an incline. Participants are attempting to calculate the mass of the load based on the truck's acceleration after the load falls off, while addressing potential errors in the initial solution approach.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the force parallel to the incline and sets up an equation to find the mass of the load, concluding with a mass of approximately 3523.853 kg.
  • Another participant questions the correctness of the initial calculation, suggesting that a term may be missing in the equations that would affect the acceleration when the load's mass approaches zero.
  • A further reply suggests writing out the equations for the forces acting on the truck both before and after the load falls off to clarify the situation.
  • Participants discuss the need to consider all forces acting on the truck in their equations to accurately represent the dynamics involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the initial solution, with some suggesting that it is incorrect due to missing terms in the equations. The discussion remains unresolved as participants explore different approaches and clarify their reasoning.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the equations may not fully account for all forces acting on the truck, leading to confusion about the relationship between the load's mass and the resulting acceleration.

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Homework Statement


A truck with a heavy load has a total mass of 5100 kg. It is climbing a 15∘ incline at a steady 15 m/s when, unfortunately, the poorly secured load falls off! Immediately after losing the load, the truck begins to accelerate at 1.5 m/s2.

What was the mass of the load? Ignore rolling friction.
Express your answer with the appropriate units.

The Attempt at a Solution


Force parallel = 5100 * 9.8 * sin 15 = 12935.78 N
Let m be mass of load. The final mass of the truck is 5100 – m.
Since the truck is accelerating at 1.5 m/s^2, let’s multiply this by 1.5.

F = (5100 – m) * 1.5 = 7650 – 1.5 * m
Set this equal to 12935.78 and solve for m.
7650 – 1.5 * m = 12935.78
1.5 * m = 5285.78
m = 5285.78 ÷ 1.5
This is approximately 3523.853 kg.
 
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Why is this wrong ?
 
Rob123456789 said:

Homework Statement


A truck with a heavy load has a total mass of 5100 kg. It is climbing a 15∘ incline at a steady 15 m/s when, unfortunately, the poorly secured load falls off! Immediately after losing the load, the truck begins to accelerate at 1.5 m/s2.

What was the mass of the load? Ignore rolling friction.
Express your answer with the appropriate units.

The Attempt at a Solution


Force parallel = 5100 * 9.8 * sin 15 = 12935.78 N
Let m be mass of load. The final mass of the truck is 5100 – m.
Since the truck is accelerating at 1.5 m/s^2, let’s multiply this by 1.5.

F = (5100 – m) * 1.5 = 7650 – 1.5 * m
Set this equal to 12935.78 and solve for m.
7650 – 1.5 * m = 12935.78
1.5 * m = 5285.78
m = 5285.78 ÷ 1.5
This is approximately 3523.853 kg.
Rob123456789 said:
Why is this wrong ?
I think there is a term missing. Think about the situation. If the mass of the load M_L were zero, you should get zero acceleration for the equation relating net acceleration to M_L. If you write the equation for acceleration a as a function of M_L given the way you have laid it out so far, you would get something like this:

a = \frac{F_0}{5100 - M_L}

You can see that as M_L goes to zero in this equation, you still have an acceleration. What term might be missing from this equation that would make a-->0 as M_L -->0? Does that help you re-write your equations?
 
F = (5100 – m) * 1.5 = 7650 – 1.5 * m so here is were I messed up ?
 
I think it might help to write the two sets of equations, for before and after the load has fallen off. Write out

∑F = ma

for before and after. Be sure to include all forces acting on the truck... :smile:
 

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