Calculate Time & Force for Steel/Bakelite Ball Through Sea Water

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The discussion revolves around calculating the time it would take for a stainless steel ball and a Bakelite ball to travel through 2000 meters of seawater, as well as determining the impact force generated upon reaching the seabed. The scope includes theoretical calculations related to fluid dynamics and impact physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks assistance in calculating the time and impact force for a stainless steel ball and a Bakelite ball in seawater.
  • Another participant mentions that terminal velocity can be calculated using the formula for terminal velocity in fluids, assuming constant seawater density and smooth flow.
  • A different participant emphasizes the importance of using the correct equations for terminal velocity, noting that it differs for objects in liquids compared to gases.
  • A later reply indicates that the impact force will depend on the stiffness of the seabed material, suggesting that the nature of the surface (steel tooling) will affect the outcome.

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Participants express varying views on the calculations involved, particularly regarding the assumptions about terminal velocity and the impact force. No consensus is reached on the specific calculations or methods to be used.

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Assumptions include the constancy of seawater density over the depth and the nature of the seabed material affecting impact force. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps required for the calculations.

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hello everyone

Iam wonderind if someone could help me?

I need to find out how long it would take for a Stainless steel ball 1.0" Dia With a density of 8.0g/cm qubed through 2000m of sea water with a density of 1026kg/m qubed and what impact force it would genorate.

again this calc would need to be done with a Bakelite ball with a densaty of 1.25g/cm qubed.

If someone could point me in the right direction it would be grately appreciated.
 
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The terminal velocity in a fluid is fairly simple (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_velocity#Terminal_velocity_in_the_presence_of_buoyancy_force)
Note: Cd for a sphere is about 0.47
Assuming that the density of seawater doesn't change over 2000m and that the flow is smooth.

Is you assume it reaches terminal velocity pretty quickly compared to the 2000m total then you can just assume that it takes time = 2000m/terminal_velocity.

Impact force is a little more difficult - the FORCE doesn't depend on the speed it hits with but the rate at which it slows down as it hits. So it is totally dependent on the stiffness of the sea floor - this is why an object falling from the same height onto say concrete would break but would survive landing in mud.
 
I assume the ball has accererated to it's teminal velocity. Be carefull what equation you use. Terminal velocity is different for objects falling in liquids comopared to gasses.
 
The ball will be coming to rest on a steel section of tooling so pritty hard stuff.

Thanks for the imput folks.
 

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