Calculating Amperage of Voltaic Cells for Efficient Electrochemical Reactions

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The discussion revolves around calculating the amperage of a voltaic cell during electrochemical reactions, specifically in the context of reducing copper from copper oxide using zinc. Participants explore the factors influencing the reaction rate and the challenges of calculating amperage without direct measurement.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their experiment involving a voltaic cell and seeks to calculate the amperage when shorted, expressing a desire to understand the underlying electrochemistry.
  • Another participant argues that calculating the amperage is complicated due to the limiting factors of mass transport and ion migration, suggesting that a full CFD simulation would be necessary for accurate estimation.
  • A participant questions whether the rate-determining step is related to the oxidation or reduction reactions at the electrodes, acknowledging the complexity of mass transfer through the salt bridge.
  • CFD is defined as Computational Fluid Dynamics, which involves complex mathematical modeling that may not be commonly undertaken by chemists.
  • A participant proposes that increasing the amperage could accelerate the plating of copper and inquires about adjusting the salt bridge to optimize this effect, suggesting a shorter length and wider diameter might be beneficial.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of calculating amperage without direct measurement, with some emphasizing the challenges posed by mass transport limitations. There is no consensus on the best approach to optimize the reaction rate through modifications to the salt bridge.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of electrochemical systems, including the interplay between reaction kinetics and mass transport, as well as the potential need for advanced simulations to fully understand these processes.

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Hello all,

I am an AP Chemistry student currently studying electrochemistry. The other day, some friends of mine and I discovered some waste copper oxide laying around the lab. We thought, "Why not reduce all the copper out of this?", and so we set to work.

We got our experiment authorized by the teacher, and constructed a voltaic cell based on the reduction of copper through the oxidation of zinc. We used nitric acid to make a solution of copper nitrate from the copper oxide, and boiled it down to solid to remove excess HNO3 and dissolved it in distilled water. Zinc nitrate was prepared as the anode solution. A KCl salt bridge was constructed.

The cell itself works fine, but I have a question about the time this reaction will take to complete. The reaction should complete when all of the copper ions have reduced. There are 2 Faradays of charge transferred per mole, and 96500 Coulombs of charge in a Faraday. Since Amperes measure Coulombs per second, I need to know how many amps the cell draws when short circuiting to calculate how long the reaction should take to reach completion.

Now, the fundamental question facing me: How do I calculate the amperage a voltaic cell runs at when shorted out? I realize that I could just measure it with my handy-dandy multimeter, but I really would rather learn to calculate it, and thus gain a further understanding of electrochemistry. Any advice is much appreciated.

~SlidemanD~
 
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Your not going to be able to calculate this so easily. The maximum reaction rate of a global reaction is always limited by the slowest step. In most cases in electrochemistry, the slowest step is ion-migration or mass transport. Do determine your rate of mass transport you would need to take into account not only the properties of your electrolytes but also the geometry of your cell. In other words would basically need to conduct a full CFD simulation of your cell in order to estimate your limiting losses. This is not a easy thing to do. If I were you, I'd stick to the handy-dandy multimeter.
 
Hey, thanks for the reply.

I thought the rate determining step would relate to the actual oxidation or reduction reactions taking place at the electrodes, so calculation of shorted amperage would at least be feasible. But alas, the mass transfer over the salt bridge is logically much slower; meter it is!

Just me being insatiably curious, what is a CFD simulation? It sounds like something I should know about if I want a career in chemistry.

Thanks again,

SlidemanD
 
CFD stands for Computational Fluid Dynamics and also can refer to multiphysics problems such that involve chemical reactions, transfer of charge, etc. CFD tends to push the limits of mathematics, something chemists generally despise very much, so you usually won't ever see a chemist doing CFD work.
 
So since the object of this reaction is to plate out copper, increasing the amperage drawn by shorting the cell makes the reaction proceed more quickly. So how can I adjust my salt bridge to accomplish this? It seems that a bridge short in length with a wide diameter would be ideal. Is this correct?
 

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