Calculating Average Velocity of a Moving Train: Solving Kinematics Problem

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The discussion revolves around a kinematics problem involving the calculation of the average velocity of a moving train that accelerates, travels at constant velocity, and then decelerates before stopping. The original poster expresses difficulty in understanding the problem and seeks guidance on deriving the average velocity formula.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationships between acceleration, velocity, and time, questioning how to calculate distances traveled during acceleration and deceleration. They also discuss the implications of the average velocity formula and its derivation.

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Some participants have provided insights into the relationships between the variables involved, while others have shared helpful formulas and methods for visualizing the problem through graphs. There is an ongoing exploration of the concepts without a clear consensus on the final approach.

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The original poster has indicated a language barrier and a lack of familiarity with specific physics terminology, which may affect their understanding of the problem. Additionally, the deceleration rate is not explicitly defined, leading to further questions about its impact on the calculations.

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Hello, I have problem with this example. I don't speak English very well, so please forgive me if something isn't quite enough defined - as it should be in English Physics terminology.

The train moves from the station with an acceleration a. After reaching velocity v moves farther with constant velocity, next train moves with deceleration and, at last to dwell on the following station. What is the average velocity of the train v(avr) on the rout in length s?

I know that the answer should be v(avr) = v/(1+(v^2)/as). But I don't know how to get to it. Could somebody tell me step by step what should I do?
 
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You didn't specify the deceleration rate, but from the answer it looks as though that is also a (or rather, -a). Suppose the acceleration lasted time t.
What is the relationship between a, v and t?
How far did it travel while accelerating?
How long did it spend decelerating?
How far did it travel while decelerating?
So how far did it travel at speed v?
So how long did it spend at speed v?
So how much time did the whole journey take?
 
Let the magnitude of acceleration and deceleration is equal to a

Let d the distance traveled both acceleration and deceleration

d= v2/a
s=d+Tv, Time for constant velocity

T=s/v - d/v= s/v-v/a

Vav=s/(T+2v/a)

Vav=s/(s/v-v/a+2v/a)

Vav=s/(s/v+v/a)

Vav=s/((sa +v2)/va)

Vav=sav/(sa +v2)

Vav=v/(1 +v2/sa)
 
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Thank you very much, I didn't know this formula without time d=(v^2)/2a.
Very helpful :)
 
By drawing a velocity vs. time graph, you can easily see the distance covered every segment.
 

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