Calculating the Ampere Rating of a Circuit Breaker

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The problem involves calculating the ampere rating of a circuit breaker based on the heating of water in a greenhouse. The original poster attempts to determine whether the circuit breaker would trip based on their calculations of power and current draw from an electrical heating system.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of heat transfer, questioning the specific heat values used and the conversion of temperatures. There are attempts to clarify the equations and the assumptions made regarding the phase changes of water and ice.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the calculations and questioning the original poster's approach. Some guidance has been offered regarding the specific heat values and the proper treatment of phase changes, but no consensus has been reached on the final outcome.

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Participants are navigating through the complexities of thermodynamics and electrical calculations, with some expressing uncertainty about the assumptions made in the original calculations. There is also a focus on ensuring the correct application of physical principles in the context of the problem.

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The problem statement:
To save on heating costs, the owner of a greenhouse keeps 800kg of water around in barrels. During a winter day, the water is heated by the sun to 50 degrees Fahrenheit. During the night the water freezes into ice at 32 degrees Fahrenheit in 10 hours. An electrical heating system is used providing the same heating effect as the water.


The attempt at a solution:

P=Q/t = (542*10^6)/36000s = 15066 Watts
I=P/V = 15066/240 = 62.77Amperes

The minimum ampere rating that the 240 volt circuit breaker would have to be to avoid tripping is what i calculated...it turned out to be 62.77Amperes.

The question:
What I don't get is "does the circuit breaker trip? Why or why not?"
 
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How did you arrive at the 5.42*106 J for Q?
 
Well 4186 is spec heat of water and 2093 is spef heat of ice. I also converted the temps to kelvins. Then I input them into the equations...I did Q1= (800)(4186)(305.93)=102*10^7 and Q2=(800)(2093)(287.93)=482*10^6. Then i got Q= Q1-Q2 = 542*10^6.
 
First of all I would just convert to °C making 50°F = 10°C

Next I would point out that what you have is a Specific heat of water over 10°C + the heat of fusion of water, not the specific heat of ice as there is no change in ice temp below 0°.

http://230nsc1.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/phase.html#c1

That would be :

Q = (ΔC*4186j/°Ckg + 334*103J/kg)*800kg
Q = (10*4186 + 334,000)*800 = 3.7586*105*800 = 3*108
 

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