Calculating the Electric field for a ring

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electric field for a charged ring, specifically exploring the reasoning behind representing the ring as two oppositely charged superposed disks. Participants are attempting to understand the implications of this simplification within the context of electrostatics.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning the validity of replacing the ring with two disks and discussing the implications of uniform charge distribution. Some are considering the superposition principle and its application to the problem. Others are debating the merits of using double integrals versus single integrals for calculating the electric field.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the mathematical approaches and questioning assumptions about the charge distributions. There are differing opinions on the complexity of the integration methods, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the need to normalize charge distributions and consider the total charge involved, which may influence the calculations. There is also a reference to the assumption of having the electric field due to a uniformly charged disk as a given, which could affect the approach taken.

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Homework Statement
(II) A flat ring (inner radius R outer radius 4R ) is
uniformly charged. In terms of the total charge Q, determine the electric field on the axis at points (a) 0.25R and (b) 0.75R from the center of the ring. [Hint: The ring can be
replaced with two oppositely charged superposed disks.]
Relevant Equations
Gauss' Law
What i don't understand is why we are able to replace the ring with 'two oppositely charged superposed disks'?

Just trying to understand..
So we have a uniform charge which means that this'll just be a simplification of the problem than, correct?

Thanks in advance.
 
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By the superposition principle, the solution to the sum of two charge distributions is the sum of the solutions to the separate charge distributions. If you take a small disk and a large disk with the opposite surface charge density (not charge!) then the sum of the charge distributions is an annulus as described in the problem as the resulting charge distribution within R is zero and between R and 4R there will only be the larger disc. Make sure to normalise your charge distribution such that the total charge distribution is of total charge Q.
 
To me, the hint makes sense if the on-axis electric field due to a uniformly disk is assumed as given and there is no requirement to derive it. If there is such a requirement, I think doing the double integral would be simpler.
 
kuruman said:
I think doing the double integral would be simpler.
Well, the double integral is also relatively easily written as a single integral just by symmetry arguments, making that approach even simpler. However, the difference in complexity is inserting zero twice in the primitive function (which evaluates to zero if you use the most convenient choice of integration constant).
 

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