Calculating the net force exerted on an electron

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The discussion focuses on calculating the net force, electric field, and electrical potential at the origin due to two charged particles. Participants note that the initial force calculation only considered one charge, leading to an incorrect result. They clarify that while the electric fields from the two charges can cancel each other out at the midpoint, the potentials add together since they are scalar quantities. The final potential calculation presented is incorrect, indicating a misunderstanding of the equations involved. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the importance of considering both charges in calculations and the distinction between vector and scalar quantities in electric fields and potentials.
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Homework Statement


Given two particles with Q = 2.30 µC charges as shown in the figure below and a particle with charge q = 1.38X10-18 C at the origin, answer the following. (Note: Assume a reference level of potential V = 0 at r = ∞.)

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(a) What is the net force exerted by the two 2.30 µC charges on the test charge q?
(b) What is the electric field at the origin due to the two 2.30 µC particles?
(c) What is the electrical potential at the origin due to the two 2.30 µC particles?



Homework Equations



F = (keQQ) / r2
E = kQ / r2

The Attempt at a Solution



F = (9X109)(2.3X10-6)(1.38X10-18) / 0.82
F = 4.4634X10-14

4.46X10-14 N? No way... it can't be that small...

What am I doing wrong...?
 
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We can't see the figure. You seem to have only found the force on q from one of the Q particles rather than the two of them.

Try using F = ma on with your answer to see what kind of acceleration the electron would have.
 
BOYLANATOR said:
We can't see the figure. You seem to have only found the force on q from one of the Q particles rather than the two of them.

Try using F = ma on with your answer to see what kind of acceleration the electron would have.

The mass of the electron hasn't been provided...

Also I've added the image from the question
 
It is freely available on the internet and has a value of around 9.11 x 10-31 kg.

I should say that the test charge q is not an electron in this case so my last comment probably wasn't the clearest.

Nonetheless you can see that a 10-14N force on a 10-31kg particle produces a huge acceleration. So the electric force is actually very strong.
 
BOYLANATOR said:
Nonetheless you can see that a 10-14N force on a 10-31kg particle produces a huge acceleration. So the electric force is actually very strong.

Unfortunately 4.46X10^-14 is not the right answer...
 
OK now I can see the picture. As I said before you have only worked out the force on q from one of the charges Q. What about the other?
 
BOYLANATOR said:
OK now I can see the picture. As I said before you have only worked out the force on q from one of the charges Q. What about the other?

I'm not sure how to do it...

Just based on the diagram I'm assuming the charge on the center will not move since the forces are balanced.
 
need_aca_help said:
Just based on the diagram I'm assuming the charge on the center will not move since the forces are balanced.

Correct. You could say:

Fq = FQ1 + FQ2

So you could calculate each of the forces separately and then add then together. Hopefully the result should be 0.
 
BOYLANATOR said:
Correct. You could say:

Fq = FQ1 + FQ2

So you could calculate each of the forces separately and then add then together. Hopefully the result should be 0.

Is the electric field strength and the electric potential also going to be zero?
 
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need_aca_help said:
Is the electric field strength and the electric potential also going to be zero?

Well, is it?
 
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BOYLANATOR said:
Well, is it?

Using E = F / r2 I get zero when I add them up since for the distance I have to use negative for one of the charge.


For electrical potential V = kq / r, I also get zero if I add them of since one of the distance is negative.
 
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One of those equations should have a direction and one shouldn't.
 
  • #13
BOYLANATOR said:
One of those equations should have a direction and one shouldn't.

My guess is that electric field strength has a direction?
 
  • #14
Yes. It is really described by a vector equation and the potential is a scalar.
 
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BOYLANATOR said:
Yes. It is really described by a vector equation and the potential is a scalar.

Yes electric field has a direction and a magnitude... But its not helping me understand what is going on...

Could you please explain it little further?
 
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Sure. The electric field caused by Q1 is going in one direction and the electric field from Q2 is going in the other. At the mid-point they cancel and the electric field at q is 0. The potential at point q caused by Q1 is just a number. The potential from Q2 will be the same number (note the r on the bottom of the equation is a magnitude, it doesn't change sign). So the potentials add rather than cancel.
 
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BOYLANATOR said:
The potential at point q caused by Q1 is just a number. The potential from Q2 will be the same number (note the r on the bottom of the equation is a magnitude, it doesn't change sign). So the potentials add rather than cancel.

VT = 2(kQ / r) = 2(20700 / 0.8) = 2(25875) = 51750

51750 V

Is it right?

Edit: Nope its wrong...
 
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