Calculating the Period of a Simple Harmonic Oscillator with a Pivoted Metal Rod

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The discussion revolves around calculating the period of a pivoted metal rod oscillating as a simple harmonic oscillator. The rod, measuring 1.48 m and weighing 0.208 kg, is pivoted one-third of the way along its length. Initial calculations using a simplified formula for the period yield an incorrect short period, prompting a reevaluation of the approach. Participants emphasize the importance of considering torque and angular momentum, particularly the distance from the pivot to the center of mass. Confusion arises regarding the distinction between angular frequency and angular velocity in the context of torque calculations.
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Homework Statement


A L = 1.48 m long metal rod is pivoted from a point one third of the way along its length. The rod has a mass of 0.208 kg. What period will the rod oscillate with when released from a small angle?

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Homework Equations


T = 2 \pi \sqrt{\frac{L}{g}}

The Attempt at a Solution


should I think the rod as a point mass about it's centre mass? and use centre mass to calculate the period by the formula?
This is my approach:
\frac{1}{2}L-\frac{1}{3}L is the length of the string
T = 2 \pi \sqrt{\frac{L}{g}} = 2 \pi \sqrt{\frac{\frac{L}{6}}{g}} = 2 \pi \sqrt{0.025} = 0.997 s
Could someone give me some advice please?
 
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That approach is too simple. Consider a rod pivoted very close to the center of mass - your formula would give a very short period, but the actual period would be very long.

Think of torque and angular momentum.
 
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mfb said:
That approach is too simple. Consider a rod pivoted very close to the center of mass - your formula would give a very short period, but the actual period would be very long.

Think of torque and angular momentum.

Thank you for your reply, and this is my new approach:
distance from pivot to centre mass is L/6
torque(mg) = sin(theta)*(L/6)*mg
also torque = I*angular acceleration.
I am confused here, as w in simple harmonic motion is angular frequency and in the torque formula it is angular velocity? are they the same?
 
MMONISM said:
I am confused here, as w in simple harmonic motion is angular frequency and in the torque formula it is angular velocity? are they the same?
They are not, and I don't see where an ##\omega## would appear in the formula for torque. In general: if you would get the same symbol for different meanings, use a different symbol or indices (point 4 here).
 
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