Calculation of gamma ray shielding value in liquids?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the penetration of gamma radiation through different liquids, focusing on how varying densities of these liquids affect the intensity of radiation detected. Participants explore methods for estimating gamma ray shielding values, including the use of Monte Carlo simulations and approximations based on established laws.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that gamma ray transport is complex, involving both unscattered and scattered components, and suggests that precise calculations typically require Monte Carlo methods.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for macroscopic cross sections for photon-electron interactions to effectively use a Monte Carlo approach, mentioning Compton scattering and the photoelectric effect as relevant processes.
  • A participant expresses a desire for a less precise method to understand how different densities affect radiation detection, asking for an approximate approach to calculate the unscattered component.
  • There is a discussion about the importance of the energy of radioactive sources rather than their activity, with a reference to a specific text that covers gamma ray attenuation in liquid scintillator detectors.
  • One participant suggests that the Beer-Lambert law could be a useful approximation for the calculations, indicating that scattering cross sections for common liquids are typically available in tabulated form.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of agreement on the methods to approach the problem, with some advocating for Monte Carlo simulations while others suggest simpler approximations like the Beer-Lambert law. No consensus is reached on a single method or approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for specific data such as macroscopic cross sections and the energy of radioactive sources, indicating that results may depend on these factors. The discussion does not resolve the complexities involved in gamma ray interactions with different materials.

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Hi folks

Please bear with me, I'm new here and this may not be the correct forum to ask this question. If this is the case, I'll of course remove my question and ask it the appropriate place instead.

However, here it goes:

I need to be able to calculate how much a given intensity of gamma radiation will penetrate a given column of liquid at different densities.

I hope this makes sense.
 
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Gamma ray transport is a complicated process. The penetrating radiation will consist of an unscattered component which is attenuated exponentially with distance and a scattered component which is a function of the source energy, material, etc.

Getting precise results usually requires Monte Carlo calculations.
 
Qw_freak said:
Hi folks

Please bear with me, I'm new here and this may not be the correct forum to ask this question. If this is the case, I'll of course remove my question and ask it the appropriate place instead.

However, here it goes:

I need to be able to calculate how much a given intensity of gamma radiation will penetrate a given column of liquid at different densities.

I hope this makes sense.
As mathman indicated, one has to use a Monte Carlo approach. To do that, one needs to know the macroscopic cross sections for the photon-electron interactions based on the elements (and electron density) comprising the liquid. These are usually tabulated. Basically one has to follow a photon as it's energy is degraded, and also track it's progression through the liquid. There is Compton scattering, but also photoelectric effect in which the gamma is absorbed and an electron absorbs the energy. Also, of the gamma energy is above 1.0221 MeV, then pair-production may occur, which then will produce two 0.511 MeV gammas upon annihilation of the positron with an electron.
 
Thank you both for taking your time to reply to my question.

I may not need a very precise result rather than a good picture of how different densities will effect the amount of radiation I will be able to detect with a scintillator.
Is there an approximated approach which I can use to calculate the unscattered component?

Edit:
My radioactive sources strength's vary from 12Mbq to 12 Gbq
 
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Qw_freak said:
Thank you both for taking your time to reply to my question.

I may not need a very precise result rather than a good picture of how different densities will effect the amount of radiation I will be able to detect with a scintillator.
Is there an approximated approach which I can use to calculate the unscattered component?

Edit:
My radioactive sources strength's vary from 12Mbq to 12 Gbq

The value you care about is the energy of the radioactive sources, not their activity. The energy is relevant to what Astronuc is talking about.

Are you talking about a liquid scintillator detector? If so, I think that Glen F. Knolls Radiation Detection and Measurement has a treatment of them. Apologies, I don't have my copy with me, else I'd check. He definitely goes over gamma ray attenuation though.

To first order, the Beer-Lambert law does what you want. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer–Lambert_law You will need to look up the scattering cross section for whatever liquid you are using, but that is tabulated, and unless you're looking at something exotic, you should be able to find them.
 

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