Calculation of the black hole horizon's surface

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the surface area of the horizon for black holes in higher dimensions, specifically focusing on metrics of the form ds²=A(r)dt²+B(r)dr²+C(r)dΩ_d². Participants explore the implications of the metric functions and the dimensionality of the space involved, particularly in the context of supersymmetric black hole generalizations.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a method to calculate the horizon's surface area for arbitrary black holes in more than 4 dimensions, providing a specific metric form.
  • Another participant suggests that the surface area can be derived from the tangential metric component C(r) and proposes substituting into the formula for the surface area of a sphere.
  • A participant expresses optimism about the validity of the proposed formula based on its success in various tests, including known black hole solutions.
  • There is a question regarding the origin of the formula and the reasoning behind the effective radius being lim(r-->r_0) [sqrt{C(r)}r].
  • One participant explains that the effective radius is derived from adjusting the surface measured in coordinate space by the tangential component of the metric.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the correctness of the formula provided for calculating the surface area, as it has passed various tests. However, the origin of the formula and the reasoning behind the effective radius remain topics of inquiry and discussion, indicating that some aspects are not fully resolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves assumptions about the behavior of the metric functions A(r), B(r), and C(r) as well as the dimensionality of the space, which may not be fully articulated or agreed upon by all participants.

PhysiSmo
Hi everyone!

I'm looking for a way to calculate the horizon's surface for an arbitrary black hole in more than 4 dimensions. For example, if one has a metric of the form

[tex]ds^2=A(r)dt^2+B(r)dr^2+C(r)d\Omega_d^2,[/tex]

where [tex]A(r),B(r),C(r)[/tex] various functions and [tex]d[/tex] the spacetime dimension, how can one calculate the surface of the horizon, given that the horizon is at position [tex]r=r_0.[/tex]

Such cases occur in supersymmetric generalizations of various black holes (extremal Reissner Nordstrom for example) in more dimensions, say, 5.

Thank you in advance!
 
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PhysiSmo said:
Hi everyone!

I'm looking for a way to calculate the horizon's surface for an arbitrary black hole in more than 4 dimensions. For example, if one has a metric of the form

[tex]ds^2=A(r)dt^2+B(r)dr^2+C(r)d\Omega_d^2,[/tex]

where [tex]A(r),B(r),C(r)[/tex] various functions and [tex]d[/tex] the spacetime dimension, how can one calculate the surface of the horizon, given that the horizon is at position [tex]r=r_0.[/tex]

Such cases occur in supersymmetric generalizations of various black holes (extremal Reissner Nordstrom for example) in more dimensions, say, 5.

Thank you in advance!

If by "surface" you mean the boundary of the sphere, that has a 2-D area for ordinary 3-D space, but a 3-D volume for a 4-D space and so on.

I'll assume that the tangential part should have been notated as [itex]C(r) r^2 d\Omega_d^2[/itex] as in that case all of the metric factors are dimensionless and typically start from 1 at a distance.

In the above metric, for the ordinary static 3-D space plus time case, I think that only the term [itex]C(r_0) r^2[/itex] matters. The square root of this is the effective radius multiplied by the tangential metric, so all we have to do to get the surface is substitute that square root expression into the standard formula for the surface area of a sphere.

I'd guess (somewhat optimistically, perhaps) that if you substitute [itex](\sqrt{C(r_0)} r_0)[/itex] into the formula for the boundary of a higher dimensional sphere, that would give the corresponding result. For example, if the boundary of a sphere in 4-dimensional space is [itex]2 \pi^2 r^3[/itex] (which I vaguely remember it might well be) then the surface in this case would be [itex]2 \pi^2 C(r_0)^{3/2} {r_0}^3}[/itex].

However, I'm really out of my depth here, so I can only hope that the above vague ideas might be useful.
 
Thank you for your answer! The formula you provided is pretty correct, it passed many tests including 4d and 5d Schwarschild, Reissner Nordstrom, Supersymmetric generalizations of etc. So I guess that it should be correct.

Any ideas where does this formula come from? Why lim(r-->r_0) [sqrt{C(r)}r] is the effective radius?
 
PhysiSmo said:
Thank you for your answer! The formula you provided is pretty correct, it passed many tests including 4d and 5d Schwarschild, Reissner Nordstrom, Supersymmetric generalizations of etc. So I guess that it should be correct.

Any ideas where does this formula come from? Why lim(r-->r_0) [sqrt{C(r)}r] is the effective radius?

That's just geometry. To measure the surface using local rulers, you take the surface measured in coordinate space then and adjust each r factor by the tangential component of the metric. I can visualise that for 3-D space, but for higher dimensions I just have to blindly trust the mathematics, so I hope that's right!
 

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