Can MisFOILing Impact Equation Outcomes?

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The discussion focuses on deriving a third equation from two common physics equations related to motion. The user initially makes an error in foiling, leading to incorrect terms in their final equation. After several edits, they realize that the middle terms should not cancel out, and they attempt to correct their approach. Despite these corrections, they struggle to arrive at the expected equation, V_F^2 - V_i^2, and seek clarification on their mistakes. The conversation highlights the importance of careful algebraic manipulation in deriving equations in physics.
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Homework Statement


From a couple of common equations, derive a third common equation.

Homework Equations


I X(t)=X_0+V_0 t+\frac{1}{2}at^2
II V(t)=V_0+at

The Attempt at a Solution


Substituting II into I gives us:
\triangle X=V_0\frac{V_F-F_i}{a}+\frac{1}{2}a\frac{V_F-V_i}{a}^2
Removing the first value on the right hand side of the equals (since V_0 is typically 0), we get:
\triangle X=\frac{1}{2}a\frac{V_F-V_i}{a}^2
Perhaps I've made a mistake foiling this, but I got:
\triangle X=\frac{1}{2}a\frac{V_F^2+V_F V_i-V_F V_i+V_i^2}{a^2}
The inner and outer terms drop out and a positive squared and a negative squared are both a positive, right? So, then after canceling an "a" and moving the remaining "a" and the 1/2 over to the left hand side:
2a\triangle X=V_F^2+V_i^2

But, it's my understanding that the final answer should be:
2a\triangle X=V_F^2-V_i^2
Note the - between the velocity values, not a +, which I got. So, what am I doing wrong? Is the equation supposed to be a - not the + which I think it should be? Did I make a mistake foiling?

Edit:

Ok, I did make a mistake foiling. The middle terms shouldn't drop out. They aren't:
V_F^2+V_F V_i-V_F V_i+V_i^2 but rather:
V_F^2-V_F V_i-V_F V_i+V_i^2 which simplifies to:
V_F^2-2(V_F V_i)+V_i^2

Still, how do I get this to become: V_F^2-V_i^2? I could drop out anything with V_i in it, since we assume that itt's zero and anything multiplied by zero is zero, but then I'd up with just a:
V_F^2 instead of a:
V_F^2-V_i^2

Further edit:
Ok, since I have a V_i in the final answer, I probably shouldn't have dropped it to begin with. If I pull the 1/2, cancel an a and move the rest over to the other side of the problem (and remembering that V_0 and V_i are the same thing), I think I end up with:
2a\triangle X=V_i*(V_F-V_i)+(V_F^2-2(V_F V_i)+V_i^2) multiplying that first V_i through, I get:
2a\triangle X=(V_F V_i-V_i^2)+(V_F^2-2(V_F V_i)+V_i^2) canceling the V_i^2 I get:
2a\triangle X=V_F V_i+V_F^2-2(V_F V_i) then canceling out one V_F V_i I get:
2a\triangle X=V_F^2-V_F V_i I think.

But V_F^2-V_F V_i still isn't V_F^2-V_i^2 -- what am I doing wrong?
 
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Hi Banaticus,

Banaticus said:
Further edit:
Ok, since I have a V_i in the final answer, I probably shouldn't have dropped it to begin with. If I pull the 1/2, cancel an a and move the rest over to the other side of the problem (and remembering that V_0 and V_i are the same thing), I think I end up with:
2a\triangle X=V_i*(V_F-V_i)+(V_F^2-2(V_F V_i)+V_i^2)

This equation is missing one factor. Originally, the second term on the right had a factor of 1/2, which you got rid of by multiplying both sides by 2. So after that, now the term on the left is multiplied by 2 (so that is correct), but what about the first term on the right (the V_i*(V_F-V_i) term)? Once you fix that I believe you'll get the answer you're looking for.

multiplying that first V_i through, I get:
2a\triangle X=(V_F V_i-V_i^2)+(V_F^2-2(V_F V_i)+V_i^2) canceling the V_i^2 I get:
2a\triangle X=V_F V_i+V_F^2-2(V_F V_i) then canceling out one V_F V_i I get:
2a\triangle X=V_F^2-V_F V_i I think.

But V_F^2-V_F V_i still isn't V_F^2-V_i^2 -- what am I doing wrong?
 
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