Can Ocean Waves Really Travel That Fast?

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The discussion revolves around the observation of ocean waves and their speeds, specifically questioning the validity of a former sea captain's account of waves passing his ship rapidly during a storm. The subject area includes wave dynamics, particularly focusing on group velocity and phase speed of waves.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of the ship's speed relative to the waves, question the feasibility of the observed wave speeds, and consider the application of relevant formulas for wave velocity based on wavelength.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants raising various points about the relationship between the ship's movement and wave speed. Some guidance on using wave velocity formulas has been suggested, but there is no explicit consensus on the interpretation of the captain's observation.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating assumptions about wave behavior, the reference frame of the observer, and the definitions of wave speed in different contexts. There is also uncertainty regarding the application of learned concepts to the specific scenario presented.

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A former sea captain recounts a stormy night in Atlantic when he observed waves with wavelengths of a few metres passing his 51m long ship in less than 3s. Should you believe him?

How do we go about answering this question? I have no idea where to start from, well, we learned about group velocity and phase speed of waves, but I don't know how to use them to answer the question?
 
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Think about the vessel heading into the wave. If the vessel had some speed on it, would the observation about the waves make sense?
 
hm.. i think its possible? because waves can travel at a speed of 1m/s (assuming wavelength is 3m and period=3s?)

is tat the way to support the answer though? it seems too simple
 
Don't you know a formula for calculating the velocity of a deep water wave given the wavelength? Remember, deep water waves of a given wavelength all travel at a certain velocity relative to a fixed reference point. An observer on a vessel is not necessarily fixed in position relative to the wave motion.
 

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