Car accelerated by repulsion of two point charges

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The discussion revolves around a conceptual problem involving two point charges of like polarity and their effect on a car's acceleration due to repulsion. The original poster presents a scenario where the charges are fixed at a distance and questions how to derive a function for the car's speed over time.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to use energy conservation principles to relate potential and kinetic energy but encounters circular reasoning regarding the variable distance. Some participants suggest using energy conservation to express velocity as a function of position, while others note the challenge of deriving a time-dependent function.

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Participants are exploring various approaches, including energy conservation and the potential application of Laplace transforms. There is no explicit consensus on the best method to resolve the problem, and the discussion remains open to different interpretations and ideas.

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The original poster indicates that this problem is self-generated and not part of formal homework, suggesting a potential for conceptual flaws that are still under examination.

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At the outset, I want to explain that this is a problem I came up with myself. It's not actually homework, and I suspect it is deeply conceptually flawed in some manner that I have yet to determine.

1. Two point charges of like polarity, ## q_1 = q_2 = 1C ##, start out separated by distance ## x = 1m ##. ##q_2## is attached to a car of mass ##m=1000kg##. When released, the car is accelerated by the force repelling the two charges. Find a function ## v(t) ## which gives the speed at time t.

Homework Equations



$$ F = k \frac{q_1 q_2}{x^2} $$

$$ a = \frac{F}{m} $$

$$ v = a t $$

Potential Energy

$$ U = k \frac{q_1 q_2}{x} $$

Kinetic Energy

$$ K = \frac{1}{2} m v^2 $$

The Attempt at a Solution



This has been giving me fits. I keep ending up in circular definitions. Firstly, I approach from the perspective of energy, ## U_0 = K_f ##. The end result of that was that the final speed should be ## 3.16*10^3 \frac{m}{s} ##.

## F ## becomes: $$ F = \frac{k}{x^2} $$

Inserting into Newton's second law I get:

$$ a = \frac{k}{m x^2} $$Then:

$$ v = \frac{k}{m x^2} t $$

You'll notice my problem. Through some means, I have to express ## x ## in terms of ## t ##, but every idea I've had relies, ultimately, on ## x ##. Truthfully, to list the approaches I've tried in detail here would require quite some typing. I feel intuitively that there ought to be some way to solve this, but frankly I'm at a loss. Any assistance you can provide in pointing me in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.
 
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wackyvorlon said:
a=k/mx2
Ok.
wackyvorlon said:
v=(k/mx2)t
Not ok.
x is a variable. You cannot integrate x-2 by simply multiplying by t.

You can use energy conservation to find the velocity as a function of position, but getting it as a function of time is quite tricky.
 
Thanks! Your help is greatly appreciated.

I've been wondering if perhaps this would be a good application of the laplace transform?
 

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