Car mileage after reducing Drag Coefficient in half

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the impact of reducing a car's drag coefficient on its mileage. Participants explore theoretical implications, practical considerations, and specific vehicle examples, including the Tesla Model S. The scope includes conceptual reasoning and technical analysis related to vehicle aerodynamics and energy efficiency.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the simplicity of estimating mileage improvements solely based on drag coefficient reduction, noting the need to consider other energy losses in the system.
  • Another participant references an article suggesting that halving drag could lead to an increase of about 2.5 miles per gallon, expressing disappointment at the modest gain.
  • It is proposed that various factors such as speed, weight, and engine efficiency significantly influence the overall impact of drag reduction on mileage.
  • A participant discusses the potential for greater improvements in smaller engines compared to larger ones, depending on their design and intended use.
  • One participant speculates about the Tesla Model S, hypothesizing about the mileage if the drag coefficient were reduced to 0.06, despite acknowledging that such a reduction is unlikely.
  • A method is suggested for calculating energy requirements for a fixed journey by adjusting the drag coefficient and comparing results.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes that reducing vehicle size and weight could enhance mileage, but acknowledges the demand for high-performance vehicles that also require good fuel efficiency.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the relationship between drag reduction and mileage, with no consensus reached on the extent of the impact or the best approach to improving fuel efficiency.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that various assumptions and variables, such as vehicle type and specific conditions, affect the discussion, but these factors remain unresolved.

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I was wondering what would be the car mileage, if we reduce the current Drag coefficient from 0.30 to 0.15? Or to 0.10?
 
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That's not a simple question to answer. You'd need to know exactly how much of a car's energy is used up overcoming drag as opposed to overcoming the various other losses in the system. The best you could say is that the losses due to drag would also be halved.
 
Thank you,
According to that article, if we reduce nearly half the drag, we will gain around 2.5 miles per gallon extra. I was hoping to get higher mileage advantage that that :)
 
Again, there are many variables in the equation. Looking at speed, weight, and efficiency of the engine, are all important.
The reduction of drag reduces the load on the engine. By cutting resistance in half, you get closer to the unloaded efficiency of the motor.
This might be a greater improvement for smaller engines than for larger engines designed to handle heavy loads.
Is there a particular speed you are concerned about? Type of vehicle? Size of engine?
 
I'm thinking about Tesla Model S. Let's say if we reduce the drag to 0.06 from 0.24, How far the car could run on single charge. Currently they say it runs 200 miles or so. I know they won't be able to reduce the drag so low... but this is just imaginary situation I'm thinking of.
 
Say you had a fixed journey of say 10,000 m to travel in a given time, i.e. at a given speed, then with a fixed set of vehicle variables (drag coefficient, rolling resistance coefficient, vehicle mass) you could figure the energy required (Power required * time) to complete the journey, then change the drag coefficient to any other value, recalculate and compare.
 
the simplest approach to enhance a vehicle's mileage is to make it littler and lighter and give it a littler motor. In any case, we need 400-hp sports autos and seven-traveler SUVs and 5,000-pound-limit tow vehicles — and we need great gas mileage, as well.
 

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