Charge distribution on the surfaces of parallel conducting s

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The problem involves two parallel conducting sheets, one charged and the other uncharged, and seeks to determine the electric fields in the regions around and between them. The discussion centers on understanding charge distribution and electric field behavior in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply a method suggested by their teacher for charge distribution but expresses confusion about its validity. They also present a personal reasoning that leads to a different conclusion regarding charge distribution.
  • Some participants question the assumptions made about charge conservation and the implications of having an uncharged sheet.
  • Others suggest reconsidering the principles of charge redistribution and electric field behavior in the presence of conductors.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of charge distribution and electric fields. Some guidance has been offered regarding the principles of superposition and the behavior of electric fields around charged conductors, but no consensus has been reached yet.

Contextual Notes

There are constraints related to the assumptions about charge conservation and the nature of the uncharged sheet, which are under examination. The original poster's confusion about the teacher's method and the implications of their reasoning are also noted.

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Problem:
Consider two parallel and large sheets with a surface area
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. One has a charge
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and the other is uncharged.
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What would be the electric fields on the three regions as divided by the sheets ?

General solution to problems like as told by my teacher:
Find the sum of the charges on all of the sheets, and assign half of the net charge to the two extreme surfaces, then working you way from one side, assign charges on each surface such that two opposite surfaces have charges of equal magnitude but different sign, and that the sum of charges on both the surfaces of a sheet is equal to the charge given to it in the problem.

Using this principle, it is trivial to find a solution to this problem, distribution of charge:
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+q/2 +q/2    -q/2  +q/2
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The surface charge densities and thus the electric field dictated by this distribution is indeed the correct answer.
However, I really don't understand how/why this method works and my naive attempt at solving this problem comes out to be very wrong.

Here's my attempt:
The charge on one sheet would induce some charge of opposite polarity on the opposite end. I recall a similar situation where two conducting sheets have opposite charges, the charges are concentrated only on the inner surface resulting in 0 electric fields outside the sheets. Thus, I reason that the charge on the outer surfaces of both the sheets in this case would be 0, and on the inner surfaces it would be
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and
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respectively.

So, someone please help, where did I go wrong ? How (or should I say 'Why') does my teacher's rule follow ?
 
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One sheet was specified to be uncharged.
Then you can't have a charge q (or -q) on one surface and zero charge on the
other surface without creating charge from nothing.
 
Oh yeah, I messed that up while posting.
"...Thus, I reason that the charge on the outer surface of the charged sheet in this case would be 0, and on the inner surfaces of both would be
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and
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respectively and charge on the outer surface of the uncharged sheet would be +q".
i.e.
Code:
   0  +q        -q  +q 
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How about now ?
 
amind said:
Oh yeah, I messed that up while posting.
"...Thus, I reason that the charge on the outer surface of the charged sheet in this case would be 0, and on the inner surfaces of both would be
gif.gif
and
gif.gif
respectively and charge on the outer surface of the uncharged sheet would be +q".
i.e.
Code:
   0  +q        -q  +q
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How about now ?
No, it is not correct. You can think a couple of reasons why the teacher's approach is correct.
The charge redistributes in a way that makes the potential energy lowest.

From very far away, the two conducting plates look as one with a net charge q. You know that the electric field of a single plate is symmetric, with magnitude σ/(2ε0) on both sides. That means, that q/2 charge is on both outer surfaces.
You can apply the superposition principle to solve such problems. A plane distribution of charge with q/A=σ charge per unit area has electrix field σ/(2ε0) pointing away of the plane, and it goes through the plane of the other plate. The uncharged plate has no contribution to the electric field. So the field of the arrangement will look like as shown in the figure,

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Thanks! You made it really clear!
 

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