Charge moving through electric and magnetic field

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An electron moves in a circular path between two concentric cylinders, with a potential difference of 120 V between them. The electric field is calculated using the formula E = V_a_b / (r ln(b/a)). For part (a), the speed required for the electron to maintain its orbit is derived from the equation v = √(r q E / m), yielding a speed of 5.39 x 10^12 m/s. In part (b), the effect of Earth's magnetic field is considered, leading to a quadratic equation that initially resulted in a negative discriminant due to a calculation error regarding the magnetic field strength. Correcting the magnetic field value to 1.3 x 10^-4 T allows for a positive discriminant, enabling the determination of the electron's speed in the presence of both electric and magnetic fields.
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[SOLVED] Charge moving through electric and magnetic field

Homework Statement


I'm pretty sure my answer for part (a) was correct, but I'll include it just for kicks. Also, I'm sorry if it's wordy, this is my first post and not exactly sure what protocol is, so I'm just copying from the book.

An electron moves in a circular path with radius r=4.00 cm in the space between two concentric cylinders. The inner cylinder is a positively charged wire with radius a = 1.00 mm and the outer cylinder is a negatively charge hollow cylinder with radius b = 5.00 cm. The potential difference between the inner and outer cylinders is V_a_b = 120 V, with the wire being at the higher potential. The electric field in the region between the cylinders is radially outward and has magnitude E = \frac{V_a_b}{r \ln(\frac{b}{a})}.
a) Determine the speed the electron needs to maintain its circular orbit. You can ignore bother the gravitational and magnetic fields of the earth.
b) Now include the effect of the Earth's magnetic field. If the axis of symmetry of the cylinders is positioned parallel to the magnetic field of the earth, at what speed must the electron move to maintain the same circular orbit? Assume that the magnetic field of the Earth has magnitude 1.30 X 10^-4 T and that its direction is out of the plane of the page in the figure.

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Homework Equations


For part (a), I used \sum F = m a, giving me q E = \frac{m v^2}{r}, which becomes v = \sqrt{\frac{r q E}{m}}. This gave me 5.39 x 10^12 m/s.

For part (b).
F_b = q v \times B.
Obviously Newton's second law will come into play again, so \sum F = F_B + F_E = q(E + v \times B = m a = \frac{m v^2}{r}.

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm basically stumped here. I tried \frac{m v^2}{r} = q v B + q E with the quadratic formula but I'm getting a negative discriminant. Dimensional analysis works out, but my numbers don't. (I just put e in for q since we're talking about an electron.)
I got v = \frac{r(-e B \pm \sqrt{B^2 e^2 - 4 \frac{m e E}{r}}}{2m}.
 

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Earth's magnetic field cannot 1.3x10^4 T. Probably it may be 1.3x10^-4. Taking this value try it again.
 
rl.bhat said:
Earth's magnetic field cannot 1.3x10^4 T. Probably it may be 1.3x10^-4. Taking this value try it again.

Sorry, that was a typo. I calculated using 1.3 G originally and got a negative discriminant. Actually, greater magnetic field should only make it more negative if my equation is correct.
 
While deciding the electron's direction in the electric and magnetic field you have taken into account its sign. Now the equation is mv^2 - reBv- rqE = 0 In this put the magnitude of charge of the electron.Now the discriminant becomes positive.
 
Of course. I knew I did something stupid like that. Thanks a bunch.
 
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