Charge on two suspended metal balls

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The problem involves two small metal-coated foam spheres, each with a specified mass, suspended from a common point by nylon threads. When charged equally, the spheres create an angle with the vertical, leading to a question about the charge on each sphere based on the forces acting on them.

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  • Participants discuss the geometry of the setup, questioning the assumption of an equilateral triangle and suggesting it is isosceles instead. There are attempts to resolve forces using free-body diagrams and to clarify the components of tension and weight. Some participants express confusion about the calculations and the use of trigonometric functions.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's reasoning and calculations. There is a mix of attempts to clarify misunderstandings and to guide the original poster towards a more accurate approach without reaching a consensus on the solution.

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Participants note potential errors in the original poster's assumptions and calculations, particularly regarding the geometry of the triangle formed by the threads and the forces involved. There is also mention of the need to consider horizontal components of forces.

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Homework Statement


Two very small metal coated foam spheres, each of mass 2.80x10^-6kg, are attached to nylon threads 45cm long and hung from a common point. When the spheres are given equal quantities of negative charge, each supporting thread makes an angle of 15 degrees with the vertical. Find the charge on each sphere.


Homework Equations


F=(kQ1Q2)/r^2 in the form of Q=√((Fr^2)/k) as Q1 and Q2 will be the same.
F=ma
probably Pythagoras and sine/tangent/cosine ratios


The Attempt at a Solution


ok, so r or the distance between the charges was pretty obvious. If the strings are 0.45m long and the angle at the point where the strings combine is 30° (2x15°), then its going to be an equilateral triangle so r=0.45m (I think). I suppose we are assuming k=9X10^9. Noe for the force. The force of gravity will be 2.80x10^-6x9.8 (F=ma), which equals approximately 2.7x10^-7. I then did (2.7x10^-7)/tan(90-15), which equals about 7.4x10^-8. I thought that equaled half the force of repulsion of the sphere, but I'm not sure. If that's right then the total force of repulsion is 1.5x10^-7. So then
Q=√((1.5X10^-7x0.45^2)/9x10^9). That equaled 1.8X10^-9. But the actual answer is 6.66X10^-9. I know my rounding is having quite and effect on it, so i did it again, using as many decimals as I could but I was still quite a bit off. What am I doing wrong?
 
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An equilateral triangle has angles of 60° - this one has a top angle of 30°.
 
oh wow, oopsies!
 
I don't really understand your solution attempt here.
Start by drawing a free-body diagram for one of the charges and resolve the forces along the x and y directions.
You should be able to eliminate the tension leaving only 1 unknown ( the charge ).
 
crowdedscience said:

Homework Statement


... angle at the point where the strings combine is 30° (2x15°), then its going to be an equilateral triangle so r=0.45m
First and foremost, when did you learn that an equilateral triangle has an angle 30°? It's not an equilateral triangle!
This one will be isosceles!
Next why are you taking the weight as it is? Take its horizontal components!
Then I don't get why you are dividing by tan75°. Could you explain that?
 
Rookie mistake. You are unworthy of this forum. Next time go to yahoo answers...
 

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