Charge-to-mass ratio of electron/proton

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The discussion focuses on calculating the charge-to-mass ratio (e/m) of an electron using given parameters from a Helmholtz coil experiment. The relationship e/m = 2V / r²B² is derived from the equations of motion and forces acting on the electron. Participants express difficulty in simplifying the derivation and seek clarification on interpreting the differences between the e/m ratios of an electron and a hydrogen ion. The conversation highlights the need for a deeper understanding of the context behind these ratios and their implications in atomic structure. Overall, the thread emphasizes the complexities involved in deriving the e/m ratio and understanding its significance.
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Homework Statement


The Helmholtz coil current = 2.45 A, the magnetic field = 1.91 x 10^(-3) T, the accelerating voltage = 295 V, and the beam radius = .03m.

a) Calculate the e/m ratio of an electron. Show that e/m = 2V / r²B²

b) During the initial use of this experiment, physicists also knew the charge-to-mass ratio of a hydrogen ion, approximately 9.58 x 10^7 Coulombs/kg. If you had little knowledge of atomic structure, what two interpretations could you place on the differences between the two ratios?


Homework Equations


PE = Ve
KE = 1/2mv²
Fmag = evB
Fcent = mv²/r

The Attempt at a Solution


a) Ve = 1/2mv²
v = √(2Ve / m) ; v² = 2Ve/m
Fmag = Fcent
evB = mv²/r
r = mv/Be

I can't seem to get past this part of the derivation. I've tried subbing in √(2Ve / m) into r = mv/Be but it turns out too messy.

b) I'm not too sure about the second part at all.. in what kind of context should I be thinking about the ratios?
 
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