Chemistry lab - limiting reagent - Can someone verify?

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The discussion revolves around the impact of using a lower concentration of sulfuric acid (H2SO4) on the final yield of copper in a series of chemical reactions. Participants explore the concept of limiting reagents in the context of a chemistry lab problem, analyzing how different concentrations affect the outcome of the reactions involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines a series of reactions leading to the production of copper and initially claims that CuSO4 is the limiting reagent when using 7M H2SO4.
  • Another participant argues that the limiting reagent is either CuO or H2SO4, asserting that the product (CuSO4) cannot be a limiting reagent.
  • A later reply acknowledges the oversight regarding the product being the limiting reagent and suggests that CuO is the limiting reagent due to its lower mole quantity compared to H2SO4.
  • Participants discuss that even with a reduction in the molarity of H2SO4, CuO remains the limiting reagent, implying that the same amount of CuSO4 would be produced.
  • One participant notes that while theoretically the reactions are sound, practical difficulties may arise from using high concentrations of acid, which could affect the reaction speed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding which reagent is the limiting reagent, with some asserting CuSO4 cannot be limiting while others suggest CuO is limiting. The discussion remains unresolved as participants explore different perspectives on the impact of reagent concentrations.

Contextual Notes

Participants assume that other reagents are in excess, which may affect the conclusions drawn about limiting reagents. There is also an acknowledgment of practical challenges that may not be fully addressed in the theoretical framework.

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Homework Statement


Suppose that, for reaction 4, you could not find the bottle of 7 M H2SO4 so you added 5.00 mL of the 1.00 M H2SO4 instead. How would this impact your final yield of Copper. (Show with calculations how this would impact the limiting reagent.)

Homework Equations


CuO(s) + H2SO4(aq) --> CuSO4(aq) + H2O(l)

The Attempt at a Solution


This was the series of transtions done to the copper.
Cu(NO3)2(aq) + 2NaOH(aq) --> Cu(OH)2(s) + 2 NaNO3(aq)

Cu(OH)2(s) + heat --> CuO(s) + H2O(l)

CuO(s) + H2SO4(aq) --> CuSO4(aq) + H2O(l)

CuSO4(aq) + Zn(s)--> ZnSO4(aq) + Cu(s)


I initially started with 10.00ml of .4M Cu(NO3)2. Hence .004 moles. The ratio for each copper reactant to the desired copper product is 1:1. Hence we will end up with .004 CuSO4. Now, in the case of using 7M H2SO4, the CuSO4 is the limiting reagent. However, we use 1M * .005ml = .005mol, doesn't this also keep CuSO4 as the limiting reagent, having no effect on the final yield of copper?

Thanks!
 
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John Ker said:
I initially started with 10.00ml of .4M Cu(NO3)2. Hence .004 moles. The ratio for each copper reactant to the desired copper product is 1:1. Hence we will end up with .004 CuSO4.

We end with Cu, not CuSO4, but yes, 1:1 and 0.004 moles is a constant throughout the process (assuming other reagents are in excess).

Now, in the case of using 7M H2SO4, the CuSO4 is the limiting reagent.

No, it is not, limiting reagent is either CuO or H2SO4. Product is never a limiting reagent.

Somehow your final conclusion (no effect of the final yield) is a correct one.
 
Borek said:
We end with Cu, not CuSO4, but yes, 1:1 and 0.004 moles is a constant throughout the process (assuming other reagents are in excess).
No, it is not, limiting reagent is either CuO or H2SO4. Product is never a limiting reagent.

Somehow your final conclusion (no effect of the final yield) is a correct one.

Hello, thanks for the response.

So after taking a relook youre right, I overlooked the product being the limiting reagent. In that case, wouldn't CuO be the limiting reagent, since it is only .004moles.
CuO is .004
7M H2SO4 is .035M
1M H2SO4 is .005M

In both cases, even with a reduction in the molarity of H2SO4, CuO is still the limiting reagent, hence the same amount of CuSO4 is produced?
 
John Ker said:
In both cases, even with a reduction in the molarity of H2SO4, CuO is still the limiting reagent, hence the same amount of CuSO4 is produced?

In general - yes.

Although high concentration of the acid will definitely speed up the reaction, so while theoretically everything is perfectly OK, process can be difficult to do in practice.
 

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