Coefficient of friction between the block and the ramp

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a block sliding down an inclined ramp. The block has a mass of 3.50 kg, slides 3.40 m down a ramp inclined at 15 degrees, and has a coefficient of friction of 0.30. Participants are tasked with calculating various forms of work done on the block by friction, gravity, and the normal force, as well as determining the block's speed after sliding down the ramp.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculations for work done by friction, gravity, and the normal force, with some questioning the assumptions made regarding the coefficient of friction and its application over distance. There is also a focus on the relationship between potential energy and work done.

Discussion Status

Some participants have revised their calculations after realizing the need to include displacement in their work calculations. There is ongoing exploration of the correct approach to finding the block's speed after sliding down the ramp, with references to conservation of energy principles and the implications of potential energy loss.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of understanding the definitions and relationships between forces, work, and energy in the context of the problem. There is an acknowledgment of the need for clarity on how forces act in relation to motion.

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Homework Statement


A 3.50 kg block slides 3.40 m down a long 15 degrees inclines ramp. the coefficient of friction between the block and the ramp is 0.30. find the following: (a) the work done on the block by friction (b) the work done on the block by gravity (c) the work done on the block by the normal force (d) the total work done on the block. If the block has a speed of 5.0 mps at the top of the ramp, (e) find its speed after sliding 3.40 m down the ramp.



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The Attempt at a Solution


Wfk - work by friction
Wg - work by gravity
Wn - work by normal force
Wt - total work

(a) -0.30*(3.50*9.8*sin 15) = Wfk
(b) Wg = (3.50*9.8*cos 15) = Wg
(c) 3.5*9.8*sin 15 = Wn
(d) Wfk + Wg + Wn = Wt
(e) ?

am I correct with the solutions that I made. I feel like I made something wrong and how do you find (e)? pls tell me.
 
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myk127 said:

Homework Statement


A 3.50 kg block slides 3.40 m down a long 15 degrees inclines ramp. the coefficient of friction between the block and the ramp is 0.30. find the following: (a) the work done on the block by friction (b) the work done on the block by gravity (c) the work done on the block by the normal force (d) the total work done on the block. If the block has a speed of 5.0 mps at the top of the ramp, (e) find its speed after sliding 3.40 m down the ramp.

The Attempt at a Solution


Wfk - work by friction
Wg - work by gravity
Wn - work by normal force
Wt - total work

(a) -0.30*(3.50*9.8*sin 15) = Wfk
(b) Wg = (3.50*9.8*cos 15) = Wg
(c) 3.5*9.8*sin 15 = Wn
(d) Wfk + Wg + Wn = Wt
(e) ?

am I correct with the solutions that I made. I feel like I made something wrong and how do you find (e)? pls tell me.

Better start with a). What is the coefficient of friction? What is it based on? Isn't it a resistance to motion based on ... what? And over what distance does it act?
 
oops. I forgot to multiply it by the displacement. so my solution would be:
(a) -0.30*(3.50*9.8*sin 15)(3.40) = Wfk
(b) Wg = (3.50*9.8*cos 15)(3.40) = Wg
(c) 3.5*9.8*sin 15(3.40) = Wn
(d) Wfk + Wg + Wn = Wt
(e) ?

am I right with my solutions now? how do I find (e)?
 
myk127 said:
oops. I forgot to multiply it by the displacement. so my solution would be:
(a) -0.30*(3.50*9.8*sin 15)(3.40) = Wfk
(b) Wg = (3.50*9.8*cos 15)(3.40) = Wg
(c) 3.5*9.8*sin 15(3.40) = Wn
(d) Wfk + Wg + Wn = Wt
(e) ?

am I right with my solutions now? how do I find (e)?

To begin with a) is incorrect. The force from friction is determined as to magnitude by the normal force from the block on the incline, even though it's effect is along the surface of the incline.

The work from gravity may be given more simply from observing its change in potential energy. How much height has it given up moving down the incline?

Work is defined by the distance over which a force acts. While there is a force normal to the block, it does not act in the direction of motion, hence it's distance is 0 and the work from the normal force is ...

d) is correct if you have the correct values fore each of the components of the total.

For the last one if you know the total work, then what else do you know from the conservation of Energy? If you have given up potential energy where has the excess over friction gone to? What kind of energy? And the formula for determining that is ...
 

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