Complex Numbers Tips: Find Mod/Arg, Express in Cartesian

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The discussion revolves around complex numbers, specifically focusing on finding the modulus and argument of a complex number, expressing powers of complex numbers in Cartesian form, and exploring operations involving complex conjugates. The original poster presents a series of problems related to these topics, including calculations involving De Moivre's Theorem and polar forms.

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  • The original poster attempts to find the modulus and argument of a complex number and expresses its powers in Cartesian form. They also explore the relationship between a complex number and its conjugate. Some participants question the notation and concepts used, particularly regarding polar and exponential forms. Others suggest clarifying the implications of using complex conjugates in calculations.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's queries, providing insights into the properties of complex numbers and discussing various notations. There is a mix of attempts to clarify concepts and provide guidance, particularly regarding the use of exponential notation and the implications of the "hence" statement in the problem. Multiple interpretations of the problems are being explored, and some participants are offering explanations to enhance understanding.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the notation and terminology used in complex number operations, particularly for those who may not be familiar with exponential forms. The original poster also expresses uncertainty about how to proceed with certain parts of the problem, indicating a need for further clarification on specific concepts.

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I was wondering if someone can check my solutions and perhaps give me a faster more logical way of working through this question. Thanks.

Homework Statement



If z = 1 + i*root3

i) Find the modulus and argument of z
ii) Express z^5 in Cartesian form a + ib where a and b are real
iii) Find z*zbar
iv) hence, find zbar to the power of negative 5

If w = root2 cis (π/4)

i) Find w/z in polar form.

ii) Express z and w in cartesian form and hence find w/z in cartesian form.

iii) Use answers from i) and ii) to deduce exact value for cos(π/12)


The Attempt at a Solution



i) Modulus is 2, Argument is π/3

ii) Using De Moivre's Theorem, 2^5cis(5*(π/3))
= 32cis(-pie/3)
Then changing to Cartesian form - 32 (cos(-π/3) + isin(-π/3))
= 32(0.5 + (root3/2)i)
= 16 + 16i*root3

iii) z = 1 + i*root3, zbar = 1 - i*root3
z*zbar = 4

iv) Now this part I don't understand the "hence", as in how am I meant to use previous results to get this answer?

I try - zbar = 2cis(-π/3) -> (Is it true that the "bar" of any complex number is just the same modulus and negative angle?)

Then zbar^-5 = Using DM Theorem, (1/32)cis(5π/3)
= (1/32)cis(-π/3)
Then convert to cartesian - (1/32)(cos(-π/3) + isin(-π/3))
= (1/32)(0.5 + iroot3/2)
= 1/64 + iroot3/64


If w = root2 cis (π/4)

i) Find w/z in polar form.
I found it in cartesian - (1+i)/(1 + root3 i) then realising, gives (1 + root3)/4 + (1-root3)/4 * i

But how do I change to Polar form? I am also stuck on how to get cos(pie/12) as exact value. Thanks.
 
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[itex]\sin\frac{-\pi}{3}=-\sin\frac{\pi}{3}[/itex]

[itex]w=|w|e^{i\theta}[/itex]
 
dextercioby said:
[itex]\sin\frac{-\pi}{3}=-\sin\frac{\pi}{3}[/itex]

[itex]w=|w|e^{i\theta}[/itex]

Hello I'm still very basic in this, and I don't understand your notation in the second part. Would you be able to explain further? Thanks!
 
I thought the complex exponential was the "polar form".
 
exp(i*theta)=cis(theta). He may not know the exponential notation.
 
"(Is it true that the "bar" of any complex number is just the same modulus and negative angle?)"

Sure. bar(cis(a))=cis(-a). It's also handy to convince yourself that cis(a)*cis(b)=cis(a+b) and cis(a)/cis(b)=cis(a-b). This is easy to see in the exponential notation. Now note pi/12=pi/3-pi/4. Does that help?
 
Dick said:
He may not know the exponential notation.

Yes I have never heard of it, does it make doing the question easier? If so, can you explain?
 
The "hence" part is due to this:
[tex]\left(z\bar{z}\right)^5= z^5 \bar{z}^5[/itex]<br /> You know that the left side is 4<sup>5</sup>= 1024 and you have already calculated [itex]z^5[/itex] so you can easily solve for [itex]\bar{z}^5[/itex].[/tex]
 
Eulers Formula:

[tex]e^{ix} = \cos x + i \sin x[/tex]. This let's us write complexs numbers in better ways. O and, De Moirves Theorem is an easy proof with this baby.
 
  • #10
O and just incase you want to see how its proved, expand and simplify the taylor series of e^(ix) and see wat you get, or

let f(x)=cis(x)/e^(ix), find f'(x), once u prove its zero, just find one value and its obvious.

EDIT: O and iii is much easier with it i think, but i have to go, someone else will tell you.
 
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  • #11
The nice thing about the exponential notation is that it turns an equation like [tex]cis(a)*cis(b)=cis(a+b)[/tex] into [tex]e^{i a} e^{i b}=e^{i (a+b)}[/tex]. Written this way you don't have to remember it as a special rule for the cis function. It's a general property of exponentials. Because cis IS an exponential.
 
  • #12
Erm, Halls, you're being obtuse for no good reason:

(z*)^5 = (z^5)*

* is the same as the over bar.
 
  • #13
Well, that happens occaissionally! Perhaps more often that I would like!
 

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