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The discussion revolves around the stability of a ladder positioned against a wall, specifically addressing the implications of the angle at which the ladder is set. The subject area includes concepts of mechanics, particularly center of mass and torque.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants express confusion regarding the necessity of a larger angle for stability, with some suggesting that a smaller angle would intuitively lower the center of mass. Others question the relationship between the angle and the stability of the ladder, particularly in relation to the forces acting on it.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some have offered insights into the role of torque and moments, while others are still grappling with the implications of the angle on stability.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the problem due to unclear wording from the professor and the influence of additional factors, such as the mass of a person on the ladder and the forces involved.

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Homework Statement


In using a ladder where the wall is smooth but the floor has a coefficient Us, why is it necessary to make the angle large?


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I'm a little confused by this, because I would think that you would want to make the angle smaller and have the center of mass be lower. What is the benefit of the ladder being more vertical?
 

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Is the question specifically asking why to make the angle larger? Because normally, your reasoning would be correct.
 
Here is the exact problem as my professor wrote it. i didn't post it before, because frankly... His handwriting is impossible to decipher. I am just confused because the mass of the person makes the center of mass EVEN higher. I see no reason why increasing the angle is beneficial.

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Well it seems that if you sum the moments about the point where it touches the bottom, the moments will depend on cosθ. But this is assuming the the center of mass of the person is directly on the ladder.


EDIT: I forgot about the other normal force. To be honest, I really don't see how increasing that angle will make it more stable.
 
Try looking at the torque produced by the mg-force and the normal force from the wall with respect to the point of contact on the ground. What happens if the angle increases/decreases?

The R.D. Werner Ladder Co. recommends that its ladders be used at an angle of 75 degrees.
 
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