Connecting 380v 50hz 3ph euro motor in Canada?

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The discussion revolves around the challenges of connecting a 380V 50Hz three-phase motor, specifically intended for use in a car lift, to the electrical system in Canada, which operates at 60Hz. Participants explore potential solutions, including the use of transformers and variable frequency drives (VFDs), while addressing concerns about compatibility and performance.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the feasibility of running a 380V 50Hz motor in Canada, where the standard is 60Hz, and asks for advice beyond general warnings about sourcing equipment from China.
  • Another participant suggests that if the motor is used in a single-speed application, a three-phase step-down transformer might suffice, but a VFD may be necessary if speed control is required.
  • The cost of a VFD is mentioned as potentially exceeding the cost of the machine itself, leading to the suggestion of replacing the motor with a compatible one instead.
  • A participant clarifies that a step-down transformer is used for voltage adjustment and expresses concerns about the safety and functionality of other equipment, like a welder, without understanding the implications of their electrical setup.
  • Another participant provides a technical explanation of how to connect the motor in a star configuration and discusses the expected performance, including a reduction in horsepower and RPM due to increased slip.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best approach to connect the motor, with some advocating for the use of transformers or VFDs, while others suggest replacing the motor entirely. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal solution and the implications of each proposed method.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the motor's operation and the specific requirements of the machinery it is connected to. The discussion does not resolve the technical details of the motor's performance under different configurations.

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Hi guys,

I got a question that I can only assume you guys stand a chance of responding properly to. Here is my problem I just received a shippement with machinery to open my new business. Now I am stuck with this problem I am in Canada running 60hz can get voltages of 110-220-440 is it possible to run this motor here in Canada? Got any advice other then don't deal with China? Here is a photo of the technical info on the motor.

[PLAIN]http://garagego.ca/images/IMG00063-20110124-2140.jpg

Thanks guys...
 
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If you don't mind us asking, what is the machine the motor is attached to? Is the motor being driven directly from the wall (i.e. on-off operation), or is there a speed controller on the machine somewhere? If there's only one speed, and you don't mind it running a little fast, you can probably get away with just using a three-phase step-down transformer. If not, you may need a VFD (Variable Frequency Drive) to switch the input frequency from 60 to 50 Hz.

Unfortunately, since all of the above costs money (possibly more than what you paid for the machine) you might be better off just replacing the motor with a similar one with the same torque and speed rating.

EDIT: IANAPE (I am not a power engineer)
 
Fair question, it is the motor of a car lift for a mechanic garage. Witch is why I have limited ressources other then the internet to figure out a solution. So VFD is that expensive ? thing is that I actually have quite a few of these as a matter of fact I was expecting normal so to say electrical devices that plug into the wall like normaly you would expect. I also have the same questions about a welder that I am not to crazy about trying out without knowing what's going to happen when you pull the trigger.
A step down transformer is for voltage right?

Anyways thanks a lot it is one of those problems I wish I did not have.
 
Dear Not Newton,
According to my knowledge, your 440volts are generated from two wires of 220volts by shifting their phases 180 degree out. You can confirm it by
1. individually checking these two wires with neutral first(Voltmeter will show 220V in both wires)
2. Checking the voltage across these two phases (Voltmeter will show 440V)
After confirming the above statements, you can connect the motor in Star.

As per your motor's name plate. It is 3phase motor having 2 poles and 5% slip. You can connect this motor in star. Following is the connection of Star.
Short out U2, V2 and W2 by cable or jumper.
Connect the one phase with U1
Connect the other phase with V1
Leave W1 unconnected.
Your motor will start rotating but it can deliver only 2 horse power ideally (Approx 1.5KW) and slip percentage will increase from 5% to above. Hence motor rpm will reduces from 2850 to below value. It is not suitable for heavy load applications.
 

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