Converting effective potential to dimensionless function

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The problem involves converting the effective potential into a dimensionless function by scaling to the radius of a circular orbit. The effective potential is given by the equation U_{eff}(r) = - \frac{k}{r}+ \frac{L^2}{2mr^2}, and participants are exploring the implications of this scaling.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants express confusion regarding the meaning of "scaling to the radius of a circular orbit" and what specific actions are required to achieve this. Others discuss the potential benefits of reducing parameters and simplifying the equation through dimensionless variables.

Discussion Status

The discussion reflects a mix of attempts to clarify the task and explore potential approaches. While some participants have suggested substituting expressions to simplify the problem, there is no explicit consensus on the exact steps to take. The conversation indicates a productive exploration of the topic, with participants seeking to understand the requirements better.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the complexity of the problem and the potential for confusion due to fatigue. There is also a reference to the nature of the terms in the effective potential, with one term representing attraction and the other representing repulsion.

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Homework Statement



Convert the effective potential to a dimensionless function by scaling to the radius of a circular orbit.

Homework Equations



U_{eff}(r) = - \frac{k}{r}+ \frac{L^2}{2mr^2}
\frac{U_{eff}}{U_0} = -\frac{2}{r / r_0} + \frac {1}{(r/r_0)^2}
r_0= \frac{L^2}{mk}, U_0= \frac{k}{2r_0}

The Attempt at a Solution



I would love to try solving this, but unfortunately I can't decipher what the question actually is. What does "scaling to the radius of a circular orbit" mean, in this case?
 
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Emspak said:

Homework Statement



Convert the effective potential to a dimensionless function by scaling to the radius of a circular orbit.

Homework Equations



U_{eff}(r) = - \frac{k}{r}+ \frac{L^2}{2mr^2}
\frac{U_{eff}}{U_0} = -\frac{2}{r / r_0} + \frac {1}{(r/r_0)^2}
r_0= \frac{L^2}{mk}, U_0= \frac{k}{2r_0}

The Attempt at a Solution



I would love to try solving this, but unfortunately I can't decipher what the question actually is. What does "scaling to the radius of a circular orbit" mean, in this case?
In the equation for the potential, one of the terms represents repulsion and the other term represents attraction. Scaling this problem like this reduces the number of parameters involved from 5 to 2. This boils the equation down to its bare essence. Solving problems in terms of dimensionless variables often simplifies the compilation of the results, and often also reduces the algebraic complexity and the potential for making typos.
 
OK, so I'm supposed to do what exactly? Again, I can't figure out what the prof wants me to actually DO to it.

I'm sorry. Pretend I am a retarded marmoset taking physics. :-)

EDIT: I'm not asking for anyone to solve this for me-- I just want to understand what action I am supposed to take.
 
Emspak said:
OK, so I'm supposed to do what exactly? Again, I can't figure out what the prof wants me to actually DO to it.

I'm sorry. Pretend I am a retarded marmoset taking physics. :-)

EDIT: I'm not asking for anyone to solve this for me-- I just want to understand what action I am supposed to take.

You already did what you are supposed to do.

Chet
 
Dude, not meaning to be a jerk or anything, but the Zen koan doesn't help me see what's happening here. It's a bit frustrating. He wants me to make it dimensionless, and maybe my being up all night is clouding my reasoning. Or maybe the whole thing is a lot simpler than it looks.
 
Emspak said:
Dude, not meaning to be a jerk or anything, but the Zen koan doesn't help me see what's happening here. It's a bit frustrating. He wants me to make it dimensionless, and maybe my being up all night is clouding my reasoning. Or maybe the whole thing is a lot simpler than it looks.
I think he might have wanted you to substitute your expression for r0 into your equation for U0:
U_0=\frac{m}{2}\left(\frac{k}{L}\right)^2

This eliminates U0 so that
\frac{u}{U_0}=\frac{2U}{m}\left(\frac{L}{k}\right)^2
 
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