Cooling of sphere with pseudo steady state condition

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The discussion centers around the cooling of a hot solid sphere under pseudo-steady state conditions, specifically deriving the temperature change over time as the sphere cools in stagnant air. Participants explore the theoretical framework, mathematical derivations, and boundary conditions relevant to this problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an energy balance approach to derive the cooling equation, assuming no heat generation and no heat entering the sphere.
  • Another participant challenges the assumption that the derivative of temperature with respect to time is zero under pseudo-steady state conditions, arguing that the sphere must cool down over time.
  • A participant reformulates the temperature change equation using a new variable and integrates it, applying boundary conditions to derive a logarithmic relationship between temperature and time.
  • Discussion includes the application of Fourier's Law to relate heat transfer coefficients to the cooling process, with some participants suggesting the need for steady state heat conduction solutions.
  • Participants explore boundary conditions at the surface of the sphere and at infinity, leading to different interpretations of the temperature profile surrounding the sphere.
  • One participant successfully derives the heat transfer coefficient and confirms the expression for temperature change, indicating a resolution to their earlier confusion.

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There is disagreement regarding the interpretation of pseudo-steady state conditions, particularly whether it implies that the temperature derivative is zero. While some participants refine their derivations and reach similar conclusions, others maintain differing views on the assumptions and methods used.

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Participants express uncertainty about the appropriate boundary conditions and the implications of steady state assumptions on the heat transfer coefficient. There are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the integration of temperature profiles and the application of boundary conditions.

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This discussion may be useful for students and professionals interested in heat transfer, thermodynamics, and mathematical modeling of cooling processes in solid objects.

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Homework Statement


A hot solid sphere of initial radius ##a## with a uniform initial temperature ##T_{0}## is allowed to
cool under stagnant air at ambient temperature, ##T_{\infty}## . Assume the temperature within
the sphere is uniform throughout the cooling process. Show that under pseudo-steady
state conditions, the temperature of the solid sphere decreases with time according to
T - T_{\infty} = (T_{0} - T_{\infty}) \hspace{0.05 in} exp \Big( - \frac {3kt}{\rho C_{p} a^2} \Big)
where ##k## is the thermal conductivity of the surrounding air and ##\rho## and ##C_{p}## are the
density and specific heat of the solid sphere, respectively.

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The Attempt at a Solution


I do a general energy balance on the sphere,
\frac {dE}{dt} = \dot Q_{in} - \dot Q_{out} + \dot Q_{gen} + \dot W_{s}
I assume that there is no heat generation, no shaft work, and that no heat enters the sphere
\rho V C_{p} \frac {dT}{dt} = - \dot Q_{out}
From Newton's Law of cooling,
\dot Q_{out} = h_{\infty}A (T - T_{\infty})
\rho V C_{p} \frac {dT}{dt} = -h_{\infty}A (T - T_{\infty})
\frac {dT}{dt} + \frac {h_{\infty}A}{\rho V C_{p}} (T - T_{\infty}) = 0
Now that the assumption is pseudo steady state, I say ##\frac {dT}{dt} = 0##, so I end up with
\frac {h_{\infty}A}{\rho V C_{p}} (T - T_{\infty}) = 0
And from here, I have no idea how I will be able to get the expression that I am supposed to derive now that I have no derivative to integrate and use boundary conditions to derive the expression.
 
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Maylis said:
\frac {dT}{dt} + \frac {h_{\infty}A}{\rho V C_{p}} (T - T_{\infty}) = 0
Now that the assumption is pseudo steady state, I say ##\frac {dT}{dt} = 0##, so I end up with
\frac {h_{\infty}A}{\rho V C_{p}} (T - T_{\infty}) = 0
Pseudo-steady-state does not mean that dT/dt= 0. If it did the cottonpicker would never cool down!

Solve your diff. eq.
 
Alright, so then to continue with my derivation,
$$\frac {dT}{dt} + \frac {h_{\infty}A}{\rho V C_{p}} (T - T_{\infty}) = 0$$
I define ##\theta = T - T_{\infty}##, and the boundary condition at ##t = 0## is ##\theta_{0} = T_{0} - T_{\infty}##. Then I take the derivative of theta with respect to time, ##\frac {d \theta}{dt} = \frac {dT}{dt}##
$$\frac {d \theta}{dt} + \frac {h_{\infty}A}{\rho V C_{p}} \theta = 0$$
$$\int \frac {d \theta}{\theta} = - \frac {h_{\infty}A}{\rho V C_{p}} \int dt$$
$$ln \hspace{0.05 in} \theta = - \frac {h_{\infty}A}{\rho V C_{p}}t + C$$
Using my boundary condition, I find ##C = ln(T_{0} - T_{\infty})##. I then subtract to the LHS of the equation and get
$$ln \hspace{0.05 in} \Big(\frac {T - T_{\infty}}{T_{0} - T_{\infty}} \Big) = - \frac {h_{\infty}A}{\rho V C_{p}} t$$
I know the characteristic length for a sphere, ##L_{c} = V/A = a/3##. So I substitute and get
$$ln \hspace{0.05 in} \Big(\frac {T - T_{\infty}}{T_{0} - T_{\infty}} \Big) = - \frac {3h_{\infty}}{\rho C_{p}a} t$$
Now, somehow I need to get rid of the heat transfer coefficient, ##h_{\infty}## using the pseudo steady state condition. So I use Fourier's Law at the interface of the sphere and air,
$$\dot Q_{out} = -kA \frac {dT}{dr} \bigg |_{r=a}$$
$$ h_{\infty}A(T - T_{\infty}) = -kA \frac {dT}{dr} \bigg |_{r=a}$$
However, I don't know what the derivative at r = a will be
 
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They're trying to get you to use the steady state heat conduction solution for a sphere immersed in an infinite medium to get the heat transfer coefficient to the air.

Suppose you have a sphere at a constant surface temperature T* immersed in an infinite medium of thermal conductivity k, and suppose that the temperature far from the sphere is T. What is the steady state heat conduction temperature profile surrounding the sphere?

Chet
 
Okay, so I will do another energy balance at the surface
$$ \frac {dE}{dt} = \dot Q_{r} - \dot Q_{r + \Delta r} + \dot e_{gen}A \Delta r + \dot W_{s} $$
Assume no work is done,
$$ \rho \hat C_{p} A \Delta r \frac {dT}{dr} = \dot Q_{r} - \dot Q_{r + \Delta r} + \dot e_{gen}A \Delta r $$
$$ \rho \hat C_{p} \frac {dT}{dt} = - \frac {1}{A} \frac {d}{dr} \Big( -kA \frac {dT}{dr} \Big) + \dot e_{gen} $$
Assume no heat generation and steady state,
$$ \frac {d}{dr} \Big(4 \pi k r^2 \frac {dT}{dr} \Big) = 0 $$
$$ 4 \pi k r^2 \frac {dT}{dr} = C_{1} $$
I know at ##r = 0##, then ##\frac {dT}{dr} = 0##, therefore ##C_{1} = 0##
$$ k(4 \pi r^2) \frac {dT}{dr} = 0 $$
So I guess the temperature profile is T(r) = constant.
 
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Okay, so I will do another energy balance at the surface
$$ \frac {dE}{dt} = \dot Q_{r} - \dot Q_{r + \Delta r} + \dot e_{gen}A \Delta r + \dot W_{s} $$
Assume no work is done,
$$ \rho \hat C_{p} A \Delta r \frac {dT}{dr} = \dot Q_{r} - \dot Q_{r + \Delta r} + \dot e_{gen}A \Delta r $$
$$ \rho \hat C_{p} \frac {dT}{dt} = - \frac {1}{A} \frac {d}{dr} \Big( -kA \frac {dT}{dr} \Big) + \dot e_{gen} $$
Assume no heat generation and steady state,
$$ \frac {d}{dr} \Big(4 \pi k r^2 \frac {dT}{dr} \Big) = 0 $$
$$ 4 \pi k r^2 \frac {dT}{dr} = C_{1} $$
I know at ##r = 0##, then ##\frac {dT}{dr} = 0##, therefore ##C_{1} = 0##
$$ k(4 \pi r^2) \frac {dT}{dr} = 0 $$
So I guess the temperature profile is T(r) = constant.
No. You should be integrating over the region from "a" to infinity (the "stagnant" air). The key word is stagnant.

Chet
 
Okay, so I get down to
$$ 4 \pi k r^2 \frac {dT}{dr} = C_{1} $$
So then at ##r = \infty##, ##\frac {dT}{dr} = 0## and ##T = T_{\infty}##, therefore ##C_{1} = 0##. So then this reduces to
$$ 4 \pi k \int dT = C_{1} \int \frac {dr}{r^2} $$
$$ 4 \pi k T = C_{1} \Big (- \frac {1}{r} \Big) + C_{2} $$
I use my boundary conditions, at ##r = \infty##, ##T = T_{\infty}##
$$ 4 \pi k T_{\infty} = C_{1} \Big (- \frac {1}{\infty} \Big) + C_{2} $$
Therefore ##C_{2} = 4 \pi k T_{\infty}##. So now I have
$$ 4 \pi k (T - T_{\infty}) = C_{1} \Big (- \frac {1}{r} \Big) $$
$$ T = \frac {C_{1}}{4 \pi k} \Big(\frac {-1}{r} \Big) + T_{\infty} $$
$$ \frac {dT}{dr} = \frac {C_{1}}{4 \pi k} \Big(\frac {1}{r^2} \Big) $$
For my condition ##r = \infty##, ##\frac {dT}{dr} = 0##,
$$ 0 = \frac {C_{1}}{4 \pi k} \Big(\frac {1}{\infty^2} \Big) $$
This just leads me nowhere, it gives ##C_{1} = 0## and therefore ##T = T_{\infty}##, as if T is not a function of radius at all.
 
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The other boundary condition is T = T* at r = a.

I get:

T=T_∞+(T^*-T_∞)\frac{a}{r}

where T* is the instantaneous temperature at the surface of the sphere. The T here is the temperature of the air, not the temperature of the sphere. What you called T in your earlier equations is what I call T* here. From this equation, you should be able to derive the heat transfer coefficient h. What do you get?

Chet
 
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I got ##h_{\infty} = \frac {k}{a}##, so now I get the expression. I was able to redo my derivation and get the same expression you derived. Thanks a lot!
 
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