Coordinate transformation and multiplying with size of J

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The discussion revolves around coordinate transformations in the context of multiple integrals, specifically the necessity of multiplying by the Jacobian determinant during the transformation process. The original poster seeks clarification on the reasoning behind this multiplication and is looking for proof or references in their textbook.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of the Jacobian determinant in volume preservation during transformations and question the conditions under which the determinant equals one.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the geometric interpretation of the Jacobian and its relation to volume. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the Jacobian and the volume of transformed shapes, but no consensus has been reached on the original poster's query about the proof.

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Hi,

I am using the book "Advanced Engineering Mathematics" by Erwin Kreyszig where I am reading on the transformation of coordinates - when changing from \int f(x,y) to \int f(v(x,y),v(x,y) it is necessary to multiply with the size of the jacobian, |J| - I cannot find the proof in the book and I don't quite understand why one should multiply with this?
Any help or advise where to locate the proof in order to better understand the multiplication with the Jacobian.

Thanks in advance

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if you google "Coordinate transformation multiple integrals", you get lots of hits :)
 
Hi,

So if I transform and the volume of the transform is preserved the size of |J| is one?
 
Yes. If you have a "parallelopiped" (3 d figure like a "tilted" retangle) formed from 3 vectors \vec{u}, \vec{v}, and \vec{w}, the volume is given by the length of the "triple" product \vec{u}\cdot(\vec{v}\times\vec{w}) which, in turn, can be calculated by the determinant having those vectors as rows. That's basically what the Jacobian is.
 

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