Cube collision (with a pivot) and Angular momentum

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the collision of a cube with a pivot point, focusing on angular momentum and kinetic energy considerations during and after the impact. Participants explore the implications of conservation laws in the context of the cube's motion and its pivoting behavior.

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  • The original poster attempts to analyze the collision using angular momentum and energy conservation principles, questioning the role of kinetic energy after the collision. Other participants raise concerns about the appropriateness of including certain terms in the energy equations and the implications of the moment of inertia's reference point.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the setup and definitions, particularly regarding kinetic energy and moment of inertia. Some guidance has been provided regarding the inclusion of terms based on the reference point of the moment of inertia, but no consensus has been reached on the specific equations to use.

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There is a noted complexity regarding the moment of inertia and its reference point, which may affect the calculations of both kinetic energy and angular momentum. Participants are considering the implications of these factors on the overall analysis of the collision.

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Hi everybody some help needed here!
A cube, mass M move with v0 collide with small object "fixed" to the surface in Point P that make it pivot over its side


So far I think I understand:
During the impact there is no conservation of KE
L Angular Momentum : there is an unknown force F (Impulse) on the pivot point
p Linear Momentum : there is a Impulse = F*t in the pivot point (or I should have to consider the mass of the earth)
Known data:
mass M, velocity v0 or v, Side 2a (note that is 2a just for simplification), cm center of mass, rcm vector distance from P to cm, rp distance from P to P (only for completeness)
Before (around Point P of pivot):
[tex]\vec{L} = \vec{r_{cm}}\times M\vec{v_{0}}[/tex]
in this case [tex]|r_{cm}||v_{0}|sin(\theta)=av_0[/tex]
[tex]L_{i} = aMv_{0}[/tex]

After:

[tex]\vec{L_{f}} = \vec{r_{p}} \times \vec{F}*t + \vec{r_{cm}} \times M\vec{v_{cm}} +I\vec{\\w}[/tex]

Where I is the Moment of Inertia of the cube and

[tex]v=\\wr_{cm}[/tex] and [tex]r_{cm} = a\sqrt{2}[/tex]
Note that [tex]r_{p} =0[/tex] so

[tex]L_{f} = 0*F*t + a\sqrt{2}M\\wa\sqrt{2}+I\\w[/tex] So

[tex]L_{i} = L_{f}[/tex]
[tex]aMv_{0} = 2a^2M\\w +I\\w[/tex]

[tex] \\w = \frac{aMv_{0}}{2a^2M+I}[/tex]


After the collision It is posible to use Conservation of energy:
E = KE+ V = mgh and KE is 0 and the higher point (the min velocity).

[tex]\frac{1}{2}Mv_{cm}+\frac{1}{2}I\\w^2 = Mga(\sqrt{2}-1)[/tex]



It that ok?
 
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I have doubts with KE after the collision.
Is posible that in
[tex]\frac{1}{2}Mv_{cm}^2+\frac{1}{2}I\\w^2 = Mga(\sqrt{2}-1)[/tex]
The term
[tex]\frac{1}{2}Mv_{cm}^2[/tex] is OK? or It's enough with [tex]\frac{1}{2}I\\w^2 = Mga(\sqrt{2}-1)[/tex]?

I am not clear so some help would be great
 
I think I have the answer.
It depends on I (moment of inertia)
If I is taken from the point of pivot P then I is including all the efect of the movement of the CM (center of mass). On the other hand, if I is referred to the CM then It is necessary to use :
[tex]\frac{1}{2}Mv_{cm}^2+\frac{1}{2}I\\w^2 = Mga(\sqrt{2}-1)[/tex]
including the KE of the CM.

same is true for the angular momentum L:
[tex]\vec{L_{f}} = +I\vec{\\w}[/tex]
If I is referred to P then [tex]\vec{r_{cm}} \times M\vec{v_{cm}}[/tex] is not necessary (It is included in I)
Notice that [tex]v_{cm}=a\sqrt{2}\\w[/tex] and adding it in the [tex]\vec{L_f}[/tex] and in KE It should be, by Parallel axis theorem, equivalent. So
[tex]I_p = I_{cm} + Md^2\ in\ this \ case \ I_p =I_{cm}+M2a^2}[/tex]
 

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