Damped Harmonic Motion Equation

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The discussion centers on the equation for damped harmonic motion, particularly in relation to experiments involving springs and Hooke's Law. A key point is that the equation incorporates both the spring force, proportional to displacement, and a damping force, proportional to velocity. The complexity of the equation can vary based on specific conditions, such as the presence of trigonometric functions and the damping coefficient, which influences whether the motion is overdamped, critically damped, or underdamped. Participants emphasize the importance of understanding the physics behind the problem and suggest that solving the differential equation independently may lead to a better grasp of the concepts. Overall, the conversation highlights the nuances of formulating and solving equations related to damped harmonic motion.
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I am having trouble finding out what the equation for damped harmonic motion is. I have been researching around there there are many small variations on the exponents.

I am conducting an experiment which has involved the use of the spring constant from Hooke's Law and have used a hypothesis which relates the two together. However, I can't seem to find a credible source for a damped harmonic motion equation when using springs. Hopefully, I was wondering whether someone could give one to me here?

Thanks.
 
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It can get quite complicated and non-linear. In some cases (eg pendulum) you have to make the assumption that the angle dispacement is below a certain "small angle" limit.

But most simply, you use hooks law; force is proportional to dispalcement from equilibrium.
and then you think about another "damping" force, that would be proportional to velocity.

So adding the damping force to the normal "springing" force, you have an equation with the first two derivatives of the displacement (remember force is an acceleration):
[URL]http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/1/2/b/12b7d08830147608e122c8206841515d.png[/URL]

But (as always) it depends on the specifics of your problem...
 
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Onamor said:
It can get quite complicated and non-linear. In some cases (eg pendulum) you have to make the assumption that the angle dispacement is below a certain "small angle" limit.

But most simply, you use hooks law; force is proportional to dispalcement from equilibrium.
and then you think about another "damping" force, that would be proportional to velocity.

So adding the damping force to the normal "springing" force, you have an equation with the first two derivatives of the displacement (remember force is an acceleration):
[URL]http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/1/2/b/12b7d08830147608e122c8206841515d.png[/URL]

But (as always) it depends on the specifics of your problem...

what happens if I need an equation with a trigonometric function in it i.e. cos?
 
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Its going to be infinitely more difficult to find the exact equation you need (and its solution) on the Internet, than just understanding the physics of your problem, formulating and solving your equation.

What to do with a cos term depends on what you need to do... I'd be glad to point you in the right direction if you can give a better description of the problem.
 
The differential equation onamor gave you is a generalized expression using Newton's 2nd Law. The "c" term is the damping coefficient. Depending on how big that coefficient is, the position function could be either an exponential decay ("overdamped" or "critically damped") or it could be the cosine function you mention with an exponential decay envelope.

I'm sure you've looked there already, but the wikipedia page is pretty good: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damping

This is good also http://mathworld.wolfram.com/DampedSimpleHarmonicMotion.html

And this http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/oscda.html

And this site has an applet you can play with: http://phet.colorado.edu/en/simulation/mass-spring-lab
 
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what happens if I need an equation with a trigonometric function in it i.e. cos?
It's not clear what you mean by this. Equation for what? Are you talking about a driven harmonic oscillator where the forcing term F(t) is proportional to cos ωt, or are you referring to the solution x(t), which can be oscillatory if the system is underdamped? If it's the former, you just add another term to the differential equation:

m\ddot{x} = F(t)-kx-b\dot{x}

If you know how to solve differential equations, it's probably easiest in the long run if you work through solving the differential equation yourself. It's not trivial, but it's not terribly difficult either. You'll understand what constants go where in the solution and which solution applies instead of trying to guess whether you have the right equation and are using it correctly.
 
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